Bush should fire this guy

[Ghosthunter]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-356989c.html

WASHINGTON - Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff was defiant yesterday despite a blistering onslaught of criticism over his order to slash New York City's counterterrorism cash almost in half.

"I will tell you that when people threaten me or yell at me, that's not going to make me change my mind," Chertoff told the Daily News.

The attacks on Chertoff for cutting federal grants to New York City by 40% this year were led by fellow Republicans on Capitol Hill who preside over committees overseeing Chertoff's cabinet agency.

He insisted that pressure from GOP leaders and the entire New York delegation won't sway him to restore $80 million cut from the high-threat urban area security grants awarded to the city this year.

"I'd be a pretty bad secretary if I said, 'Wow, I got attacked, I'm going to change the grants formula,'" Chertoff said after huddling with President Bush and White House political adviser Karl Rove.

"There's a lot of members of Congress. If you ever try to drive down that road, you're going to drive yourself crazy," he added.

But Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.), who is chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee and controls the department's purse strings, made clear he's losing faith in Chertoff's leadership.

"The burden is on him. He has to prove why he should keep the job," King said in an interview.

"It's getting tougher and tougher to defend him," he added. "I really had high hopes. It's indefensible how you cut the 40%."

King and Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) sent Chertoff postcards of city monuments and landmarks - like the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty - to complain that his bureaucrats didn't count them in their threat analysis.

"Wish you were here!" they said in a note.

Rep. John Sweeney (R-N.Y.), a member of the House Appropriations Committee, warned that if the funding isn't fixed, "Chertoff should consider resigning."

"If the standard for whether the secretary ought to keep his job is whether every single city did better than the last year, you're never going to have a secretary keeping this job," Chertoff said during a speech at the Brookings Institution.

Mayor Bloomberg, though critical of Chertoff's decision to give New York City only $125 million in grants, said jabs at the secretary were unproductive.

"I don't think if we want to get help from anybody, calling them names is exactly the right way to go about it," Bloomberg told reporters.

In a letter to Bush yesterday, White House ally Rep. Vito Fossella (R-S.I.) called the Homeland Security cuts "shocking" and pleaded with Bush to overrule Chertoff.

"This matter is of such vital importance to the safety and security of New York that it is essential for the White House to intervene," Fossella wrote.

But Chertoff insisted that the city didn't get the shaft this year, explaining the $207 million it got last year was to make up for getting only $46 million in 2004.

Four times in his speech, Chertoff called New York the "No. 1 terror target," but he added, "I do think it's fair to ask this question: After [New York City] gets $500 million, is it correct to assume they should get the same amount of money year after year after year after year?"

Chertoff also said that the city landmarks were counted as infrastructure in the grants calculations. Lady Liberty, however, wasn't included because she stands on federal land.

King, Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan) and the entire New York delegation in a letter demanded Chertoff meet with them to explain the cuts.

"I'll be happy to meet with them and lay the facts out," he told The News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-356952c.html

Kiss the "ring of steel" security plan goodbye.

Find another way to pay for protecting the subways.

And start passing the hat to pay for counterterrorism training and equipment.

All because Homeland Security Department honcho Michael Chertoff has slashed anti-terror funds for New York - and cities that Osama Bin Laden couldn't find on a map are getting the dough.

"This year's Homeland Security grants prove that Washington still has not gotten the message," Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta writes in an op-ed for the Daily News.

"At stake is critical training and equipment we need to respond to incidents involving chemical, biological or radiological weapons, and major explosions."

So while less-vulnerable burgs like Omaha and Atlanta get whopping increases in federal funds, the NYPD's plan to build an $81.5 million "ring of steel" around lower Manhattan is at risk.

That battle-tested system of cameras, license plate readers, barricades and extra cops is already in place in London.

The NYPD also was depending on federal funds to pay half of the $200 million annual tab for subway security and for Operation Atlas, which consists of heavily armed teams that safeguard strategic locations and city icons like the Empire State Building and United Nations building.

The Police Department also requested $38.2 million in Homeland Security funds for additional training; protective gear from gas, chemical and biological weapons, and equipment for gathering intelligence and analysis.

"The Department of Homeland Security has failed to step up," said Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne.

And the FDNY was counting on Homeland Security money to pay for electronic command boards to track its firefighters in high-rises, subways and other dangerous sites.

That means New Yorkers will have to pick up more of the tab to fund programs that the city's esteemed Police and Fire Departments deem vital to the city's security - but can't afford.

[Burke]

Why? Let the rest of the country go without just so NYC can have it?

[Ghosthunter]

umm NY has been hit how many times now by terrorists? and how many times have they stopped several attacks in subways they were plotting?

NY has always been #1 target next to DC from terrorists...just a little common sense..

[Burke]

Originally Posted by Ghosthunter

umm NY has been hit how many times now by terrorists? and how many times have they stopped several attacks in subways they were plotting?

NY has always been #1 target next to DC from terrorists...just a little common sense..

So once we make Fortress NYC impenetrable, then what? The "terrorists" will keep beating their heads against the steel curtain hoping to do a little damage there? No. They will move to the less-secure places.

[Ghosthunter]

Originally Posted by Burke

So once we make Fortress NYC impenetrable, then what? The "terrorists" will keep beating their heads against the steel curtain hoping to do a little damage there? No. They will move to the less-secure places.

your logic makes no sense at all..but what else can i expect...especially someone who believes US is behind 9-11 attacks and all these conspiracy theories

[YARDofSTUF]

What is the ring of steel?

[Prey521]

LOL, this thread should get me through the afternoon pretty quick!

Yard...

The hallmark of London's strategy is what officials call "the ring of steel." The phrase refers to closed-circuit cameras and narrow roads that encircle the City of London, the neighborhood that houses London's financial district as well as such historic sights as St. Paul's Cathedral. The narrow roads create just a few entry points to the area that police can block off, if necessary, while cameras photograph anyone entering or exiting the area. The neighborhood also has its own police force.

The New York City Police Department is considering erecting a similar "ring of steel" around lower Manhattan. Paul Browne, NYPD's deputy commissioner of public information says that while it's "still too early in the process" to comment on specifics, police officials are most interested in the elements of the "ring of steel" model that involve using more closed-circuit TVs and introducing controlled entrances and exits into the area.

[Roody]

Atlanta is less vulnerable? Has the writer of that article ever visited Atlanta I wonder?

[Burke]

Originally Posted by Ghosthunter

your logic makes no sense at all..but what else can i expect...especially someone who believes US is behind 9-11 attacks and all these conspiracy theories

My "logic" is airtight on this one, Turbo.

You're like a little kid who holds his hand a millimeter from someone's face and says, "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

[YARDofSTUF]

Originally Posted by Ghosthunter

your logic makes no sense at all..but what else can i expect...especially someone who believes US is behind 9-11 attacks and all these conspiracy theories

So if NYC gets some super protection system you expect it would still recieve teh same ammount of attacks?

[Ghosthunter]

Originally Posted by YARDofSTUF

So if NYC gets some super protection system you expect it would still recieve teh same ammount of attacks?

if i can predict the future i be rich...


point is a good defense is a good offense...and since it has been proven time and time again...terrorists want to strike NYC major landmarks and hit the financial areas of NYC...it only makes common sense that NYC should get a lot more money then some town we never even heard of. When things change...and other areas are known to be targetted which is why we need intelligence..then make adjustments...


We also did have the worst terrorist attack on our soil only 5 years ago..

[YARDofSTUF]

Originally Posted by Ghosthunter

if i can predict the future i be rich...


point is a good defense is a good offense...and since it has been proven time and time again...terrorists want to strike NYC major landmarks and hit the financial areas of NYC...it only makes common sense that NYC should get a lot more money then some town we never even heard of. When things change...and other areas are known to be targetted which is why we need intelligence..then make adjustments...


We also did have the worst terrorist attack on our soil only 5 years ago..

You've never heard of Atlanta?

Only 5 years ago, thats a long time. But if NYC is an impenetable fortess, they will go to other places.

We need the same quality security at all the major targets, which is alot. But I dont think we can afford it cuz we spent too much money on iraq.

[Ghosthunter]

Originally Posted by YARDofSTUF

You've never heard of Atlanta?

Only 5 years ago, thats a long time. But if NYC is an impenetable fortess, they will go to other places.

We need the same quality security at all the major targets, which is alot. But I dont think we can afford it cuz we spent too much money on iraq.

5 years is not really that long..keep in mind NYC Police has appreheend several people who have planned to target NYC subways one was just convicted last month..so it not like itjust goes away

and i am not saying to cut atlanta...just that NYC should get the most

[master7]

I live in Atlanta...it's not THAT bad

[YARDofSTUF]

Originally Posted by Ghosthunter

5 years is not really that long..keep in mind NYC Police has appreheend several people who have planned to target NYC subways one was just convicted last month..so it not like itjust goes away

and i am not saying to cut atlanta...just that NYC should get the most

The most? What about other major targets like nuke plants, easy access points to our water system, other major cities with dense population?

If you make oen weaker than the other, it makes that more of a target.

And yes 5 years is a long time, its 5 years long to be exact

[Burke]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...939.shtml?s=ic

[YeOldeStonecat]

Originally Posted by Roody

Atlanta is less vulnerable? Has the writer of that article ever visited Atlanta I wonder?

He figured the terrorists could never make it to their "target" due to the traffic jams..so they'll give up and look elsewhere.

[YARDofSTUF]

Originally Posted by Burke

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...939.shtml?s=ic

Not to mention how much is being watsed in creating memorials.

[ARS]

Originally Posted by Burke

My "logic" is airtight on this one, Turbo.

You're like a little kid who holds his hand a millimeter from someone's face and says, "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

[cyberskye]

Originally Posted by Ghosthunter

umm NY has been hit how many times now by terrorists? and how many times have they stopped several attacks in subways they were plotting?

NY has always been #1 target next to DC from terrorists...just a little common sense..

Or, they would realize that attacking someplace where people feel safe is the most effective tool - the goal being that no one feels safe anywhere.

The obvious targets then become less attractvie...