how temperature effect the action?

[Hamid]

me and my freind were thinking of creating a cooling system that will be able to keep CPU's temperature between 0 and 5 degree centigrade, the question is if so ,does if effect on the speed of CPU? if it does , how much?
the other hand what is the ideal temperature for a CPU to have the maximum results?

[wip3out]

Ok I assume you don't know what overclocking is. Temperature doesn't effect CPU speed. Overclocking is the porocess of sending a higer amount of electrical current to the processor ( called the Bus speed) in order for it to generate more Mhz. Search for overclocking guides if you are interested. http:\\www.google.com

As the Bus speed increases so does the temperature of the CPU and thats why people want to get their CPU as cool as possible otherwise the CPU would die of over heating.

Basically the cooler the CPU the higher you can overclock it. The main problem isn't the CPU really it's other componenst in the system that can't handle the stress of these high speeds and the amount of heat being generated and so everything in the computer limits how far you can overclock your CPU and everything has to be concidered when going for more Mhz.

Please correct me if I got that wrong.

[YARDofSTUF]

depends on teh cpu, ram, psu, motherboard, AND ur cooling solution

[Hamid]

I think if a person is trying to invent somthing ,he would have the basic knowledge of the subject,secondly don't you think my question was kind of marketing too? and finally i want just to quote some part of your answer.
To make it clear that you are proving that you have the same question.

1- "As the Bus speed increases so does the temperature of the CPU and thats why people want to get their CPU as cool as possible otherwise the CPU would die of over heating "

2- "Basically the cooler the CPU the higher you can overclock it"

3- "your CPU and everything has to be concidered when going for more Mhz"


but i appriciate your help
anybody else has a really good solid prove .
i mean by numbers and calculations or a website that we could do more research (except most of universities which we have already contact them).

[YARDofSTUF]

the tempeture if too high causes the cpu to lock up between 0-5C u would eliminate the temp being what holds u back, but if u want nubers then u need to mention what CPU, motherboard, PSU and ram u are using

[wip3out]

LOL Sorry Hamid didn't mean to take the p*ss. I know a few people who think that dropping the CPU temp automatically makes it a lot faster.

What temp would a decent watercooling setup be able to get my CPU temp down to (see sig)??

Current temps with TT Volcano 7 Stock fan are :-

33 @ Idle
47 @ Full

Thanx

[odog]

Ok I assume you don't know what overclocking is. Temperature doesn't effect CPU speed. Overclocking is the porocess of sending a higer amount of electrical current to the processor ( called the Bus speed) in order for it to generate more Mhz. Search for overclocking guides if you are interested. http:\\www.google.com

temperature is directly proportional to overclockablity. electrical current is not bus speed, core voltage aids in overclocking but is completely independent to overclocking.

As the Bus speed increases so does the temperature of the CPU and thats why people want to get their CPU as cool as possible otherwise the CPU would die of over heating.

false.... cpu speed and voltage are what increase temps not bus speed.(ie a cpu would run at the same temp if it was at 1000mhz via 133mhz FSB x 8 or if it was 1000mhz via 100mhz FSB x 10)

The main problem isn't the CPU really it's other componenst in the system that can't handle the stress of these high speeds and the amount of heat being generated and so everything in the computer limits how far you can overclock your CPU and everything has to be concidered when going for more Mhz.

holy run on..... bascially right.... the weakest link can prevent the best cpu from being even overclocked a little. however, i would consider the cpu amoung the most important thing in overclocking)



@ 0-5 C you would get much more of an overclock out of a giving chip.... however any time you go for active cooling and aim below room temp you risk condensation and other water related problems...... also it's been done and done well already with kryotech and thier -40C systems....

[wip3out]

Please correct me if I got that wrong.

Thanks, The reason I come here is to learn.

[terrancelam]

Originally posted by odog
temperature is directly proportional to overclockablity. electrical current is not bus speed, core voltage aids in overclocking but is completely independent to overclocking.


false.... cpu speed and voltage are what increase temps not bus speed.(ie a cpu would run at the same temp if it was at 1000mhz via 133mhz FSB x 8 or if it was 1000mhz via 100mhz FSB x 10)


holy run on..... bascially right.... the weakest link can prevent the best cpu from being even overclocked a little. however, i would consider the cpu amoung the most important thing in overclocking)



@ 0-5 C you would get much more of an overclock out of a giving chip.... however any time you go for active cooling and aim below room temp you risk condensation and other water related problems...... also it's been done and done well already with kryotech and thier -40C systems....

It doesn't matter how cooler you chip is, it can only get so cool. Making a cpu cooler might aid in stopping it from overheating and melting, but in no way "increases you overclocking". That all depends on the yield that certain CPUs can give. For example, some Athlon XP1500 processor are marked 1500, but were created under the same process as the XP1800 and in the same factory, due to the demand of the processor at that speed, thus making the yield of the XP1500 closer to that of the XP1800. (When I say yield, I mean it in terms of the mhz of the chip.)

Ram is also a factor in ocing the system and over all stability. You need a lower NS rated ram to achieve the high bus frequencies, which ram at the lower NS rated timings is EXPENSIVE.

As for creating a system that will keep the system at 0C-5C, your going to have to be a big more specific here, any one can make that claim, but use like a old ass Pentium 233mhz chip with some insane cooling. What is your goal? To make a Athlon 1.4ghz Thunderbird run at 0C-5C? There are a great deal of problems with achieving the temperature without getting a great deal of condensation and some other problems (like how to achieve it without using liquid nitro, which costs and arm and a leg.)

As for the ideal temperature, for most part, just achieving near room temperatures (27C-30ishC) is what most people are aiming for when they are ocing, well as close to it as possible. Most Athlon users pray for a nice 40C idle.

[odog]

It doesn't matter how cooler you chip is, it can only get so cool. Making a cpu cooler might aid in stopping it from overheating and melting, but in no way "increases you overclocking". That all depends on the yield that certain CPUs can give.

yes it can only get it so cool. but you can't tell me a cpu that can't overclock past 1333mhz @40C won't hit 1700mhz+ @ - 40C. that not only stops it from overheating but allows you overclock it to a higher mhz... how much, is the only question..

That all depends on the yield that certain CPUs can give.

yield is only one of the things that determines how much you can overclock.

[terrancelam]

Originally posted by odog
yes it can only get it so cool. but you can't tell me a cpu that can't overclock past 1333mhz @40C won't hit 1700mhz+ @ - 40C. that not only stops it from overheating but allows you overclock it to a higher mhz... how much, is the only question..

yield is only one of the things that determines how much you can overclock.

it was the only thing. Plus if you read the basics of what yard wrote, you'd know that.

[odog]

it was the only thing. Plus if you read the basics of what yard wrote, you'd know that.

example that.... are you claiming yield is the only thing that has an effect on overclocking? throw me a frickin bone here.. the devil is in the details

[terrancelam]

Originally posted by terrancelam

Ram is also a factor in ocing the system and over all stability. You need a lower NS rated ram to achieve the high bus frequencies, which ram at the lower NS rated timings is EXPENSIVE.

I will throw you a fricken bone. And I never did claim that just "yield" was the sole factor in overclocking, but it is a DAMN important one. Look, you want to be correct here, go right ahead, I'm not going to argue. You win.

[YARDofSTUF]

the only way temps that low will effect cpu speed is with a volt mod