New Tax

**SlyOneDoofy** · 06-30-12, 01:38 AM

Healthcare.

Thanks.

**blebs** · 06-30-12, 06:47 AM

Oh but wait. Didn't Obama distinctly tell everyone that it was not a tax?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: ...during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?

OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here - here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average - our families - in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that.

That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The - for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy ...

OBAMA: No, but - but, George, you - you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the ...

OBAMA: What - what - if I - if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that's not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I - I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's Dictionary: Tax - "a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but ...

OBAMA: ... what you're saying is ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

**Mark** · 06-30-12, 06:59 AM

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**Easto** · 06-30-12, 10:19 AM

Mark,

That one cracks me up.

**Mark** · 06-30-12, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Easto

Mark,

That one cracks me up.

ya when i saw it i had to save it and repost it

**morbidpete** · 06-30-12, 02:35 PM

So what about people who don't have it offered at work? I will be out of the military soon, Do I have to go find my own private insurance? My job does not offer heal insurance and I only work part time right now as I was laid off from full time a while ago. I am attempting to start my own business and have a few clients but there is no way I can afford health insurance without my job's help. a 1/3 of my check already goes to taxes :-/

**Easto** · 06-30-12, 02:50 PM

My take on the whole matter is that it's the first small step to National Healthcare. It's coming one way or another. Maybe not tomorrow, but it's coming.

**Dan** · 06-30-12, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by morbidpete

So what about people who don't have it offered at work? I will be out of the military soon, Do I have to go find my own private insurance? My job does not offer heal insurance and I only work part time right now as I was laid off from full time a while ago. I am attempting to start my own business and have a few clients but there is no way I can afford health insurance without my job's help. a 1/3 of my check already goes to taxes :-/

well I did a check on my situation from an online calculator for this crap,and if I did'nt have it offered at my work that I would have to buy it then,and I would NOT qualify for a subsidy from the program to help offset my costs,I WOULD NOT QUALIFY !! THAT PISSES ME OFF !
so apparently it does NOTHING good for me,

it does raise my taxes so I can pay for other people's healthcare.

**RaisinCain** · 06-30-12, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by morbidpete

So what about people who don't have it offered at work? I will be out of the military soon, Do I have to go find my own private insurance? My job does not offer heal insurance and I only work part time right now as I was laid off from full time a while ago. I am attempting to start my own business and have a few clients but there is no way I can afford health insurance without my job's help. a 1/3 of my check already goes to taxes :-/

You, Sir, have the luxury of the VA for your health care.

**blebs** · 06-30-12, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dan

well I did a check on my situation from an online calculator for this crap,and if I did'nt have it offered at my work that I would have to buy it then,and I would NOT qualify for a subsidy from the program to help offset my costs,I WOULD NOT QUALIFY !! THAT PISSES ME OFF !
so apparently it does NOTHING good for me,

it does raise my taxes so I can pay for other people's healthcare.

And this somehow surprises you? Welcome to hell.

**Easto** · 06-30-12, 07:16 PM

It's usually all of us with decent educations, decent jobs and work hard to live a comfortable life are always the ones who get screwed.

I don't own a home but when the crash hit and my stock porfolio dropped 45% I didn't see anyone in the government trying to help me out. That's what pisses me off. You do the right things in life and then you get screwed.

Sorry, just a little rant.

**Mark** · 06-30-12, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by RaisinCain

You, Sir, have the luxury of the VA for your health care.

....for military service related issues i believe.

**SlyOneDoofy** · 06-30-12, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mark

ya when i saw it i had to save it and repost it

Awesome post. It was exactly what I was thinking.

**Dan** · 06-30-12, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Easto

It's usually all of us with decent educations, decent jobs and work hard to live a comfortable life are always the ones who get screwed.

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**YARDofSTUF** · 07-01-12, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by morbidpete

So what about people who don't have it offered at work? I will be out of the military soon, Do I have to go find my own private insurance? My job does not offer heal insurance and I only work part time right now as I was laid off from full time a while ago. I am attempting to start my own business and have a few clients but there is no way I can afford health insurance without my job's help. a 1/3 of my check already goes to taxes :-/

Check up on the fine print, if the cost of insurance exceeds a certain percentage of your annual salary I think you're exempt from the fine.