Re: Open Transactions: untraceable digital cash

[Ari Silverstein]

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:02:44 -0400, Anonymous wrote:

> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>
> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>
> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used.
> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
> collect the cash from "A".

Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
"central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
financial terms?

> The team was given instructions to meet at a locale. I was to install
> the sat dish and computer hardware. Others were programmers and had
> language backgrounds. After the install I left a CD at a drop. I was
> told it had a password or something to access the interface. I had a
> 2nd CD which had the decrypt key for "C". I dropped it. I monitired
> the data to see that it was received then forwarded by satellite.

Did you read the data on the CD?

> We remet with the central bank to review all that happened. I was
> reassigned to the central bank.

What for?

Is this considered a covert operation?

[Nomen Nescio]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:33 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:02:44 -0400, Anonymous wrote:
>
>> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>>
>> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
>> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
>> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
>> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
>> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
>> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
>> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>>
>> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used.
>> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
>> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
>> collect the cash from "A".
>
> Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
> "central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
> financial terms?

It was a she and she had collect over $30,000,000 to operate a real
central bank for the native american indians.

>> The team was given instructions to meet at a locale. I was to install
>> the sat dish and computer hardware. Others were programmers and had
>> language backgrounds. After the install I left a CD at a drop. I was
>> told it had a password or something to access the interface. I had a
>> 2nd CD which had the decrypt key for "C". I dropped it. I monitired
>> the data to see that it was received then forwarded by satellite.
>
> Did you read the data on the CD?

are you nuts?

>> We remet with the central bank to review all that happened. I was
>> reassigned to the central bank.
>
> What for?
>
> Is this considered a covert operation?

The satellite installatiuon is or was ?? in a Carribbean islands two
of them. One was our base, the other was the installation base. Covert
yes. All of it. A truly anonymous system might have been a better
idea.

[Ari Silverstein]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:30:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:33 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:02:44 -0400, Anonymous wrote:
>>
>>> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>>>
>>> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
>>> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
>>> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
>>> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
>>> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
>>> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
>>> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>>>
>>> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used.
>>> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
>>> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
>>> collect the cash from "A".
>>
>> Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
>> "central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
>> financial terms?
>
> It was a she and she had collect over $30,000,000 to operate a real
> central bank for the native american indians.

Wait a minute. Central banks, banks of any kind are subject to a
plethora of US law. A central back would have to exist outside of the
Fed Reserve, have its own currency, the whole schlemiel.

I think I would have noticed such an entity.

[Ari Silverstein]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:30:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:33 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:02:44 -0400, Anonymous wrote:
>>
>>> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>>>
>>> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
>>> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
>>> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
>>> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
>>> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
>>> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
>>> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>>>
>>> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used.
>>> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
>>> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
>>> collect the cash from "A".
>>
>> Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
>> "central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
>> financial terms?
>
> It was a she and she had collect over $30,000,000 to operate a real
> central bank for the native american indians.
>
>>> The team was given instructions to meet at a locale. I was to install
>>> the sat dish and computer hardware. Others were programmers and had
>>> language backgrounds. After the install I left a CD at a drop. I was
>>> told it had a password or something to access the interface. I had a
>>> 2nd CD which had the decrypt key for "C". I dropped it. I monitired
>>> the data to see that it was received then forwarded by satellite.
>>
>> Did you read the data on the CD?
>
> are you nuts?
>
>>> We remet with the central bank to review all that happened. I was
>>> reassigned to the central bank.
>>
>> What for?
>>
>> Is this considered a covert operation?
>
> The satellite installatiuon is or was ?? in a Carribbean islands two
> of them. One was our base, the other was the installation base. Covert
> yes. All of it. A truly anonymous system might have been a better
> idea.

You lost me at "Central Bank" Mr. Anonymousie.
--
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[Nomen Nescio]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:25:11 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:30:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:33 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:02:44 -0400, Anonymous wrote:
>>>
>>>> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>>>>
>>>> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
>>>> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
>>>> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
>>>> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
>>>> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
>>>> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
>>>> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>>>>
>>>> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used.
>>>> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
>>>> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
>>>> collect the cash from "A".
>>>
>>> Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
>>> "central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
>>> financial terms?
>>
>> It was a she and she had collect over $30,000,000 to operate a real
>> central bank for the native american indians.
>
> Wait a minute. Central banks, banks of any kind are subject to a
> plethora of US law. A central back would have to exist outside of the
> Fed Reserve, have its own currency, the whole schlemiel.
>
> I think I would have noticed such an entity.

Not id the central bank was allowed by treaty and privilidges of
treaties going back to the 1500s. Indians have the right to autonomy.
The teaties gave them the rights of a nation. A virtual nation in
their case, not talkling about American Indians only, Maori tribes,
tribes of other nations. Central bank had no nationality. Except it
was national in itself. Gail paid the ultimate price but that is
history. The Open Transactions softeware could have solved problems.

[Ari Silverstein]

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 05:23:15 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:

>>>>> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
>>>>> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
>>>>> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
>>>>> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
>>>>> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
>>>>> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
>>>>> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used.
>>>>> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
>>>>> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
>>>>> collect the cash from "A".
>>>>
>>>> Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
>>>> "central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
>>>> financial terms?
>>>
>>> It was a she and she had collect over $30,000,000 to operate a real
>>> central bank for the native american indians.
>>
>> Wait a minute. Central banks, banks of any kind are subject to a
>> plethora of US law. A central back would have to exist outside of the
>> Fed Reserve, have its own currency, the whole schlemiel.
>>
>> I think I would have noticed such an entity.
>
> Not id the central bank was allowed by treaty and privilidges of
> treaties going back to the 1500s. Indians have the right to autonomy.
> The teaties gave them the rights of a nation. A virtual nation in
> their case, not talkling about American Indians only, Maori tribes,
> tribes of other nations. Central bank had no nationality. Except it
> was national in itself.

WTF does this mean? A consortium of indigenous people who put $30M
into a Central Banking system? Where was the bank's value, what backed
the currency and why would this "Gail" secure a overt operation?

>Gail paid the ultimate price but that is
> history. The Open Transactions softeware could have solved problems.

What price? Solved what problems?

[Dave U. Random]

I think I can do business anonymously using tor if I also think that 3
remailers are enough to make sure the tla can't trace me and if I think
that almost zero latency is too much for the tla to do the trace.

So I would not want to use tor to do business.

But why not fill out the form and submit it via the remailer network, and
let Zax use his software skill to transfer the information to the real
form and really submit it?

So I have a nym with Zax and I encrypt the form with his public key. And
if I make a mistake in the form, his software catches it and points to
the mistakes. And he sends it back to aam encrypted to my public key.

If I could do business that way I would pay Zax a little money to make
sure I stay anonymous.

[Mark]

On Sep 10, 9:25*pm, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:30:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:33 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:02:44 -0400, Anonymous wrote:
>
> >>> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>
> >>> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
> >>> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
> >>> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
> >>> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
> >>> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
> >>> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
> >>> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>
> >>> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used.
> >>> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
> >>> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
> >>> collect the cash from "A".
>
> >> Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
> >> "central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
> >> financial terms?
>
> > It was a she and she had collect over $30,000,000 to operate a real
> > central bank for the native american indians.
>
> Wait a minute. Central banks, banks of any kind are subject to a
> plethora of US law. A central back would have to exist outside of the
> Fed Reserve, have its own currency, the whole schlemiel.
>
> I think I would have noticed such an entity if I wasn't on welfare.
>
> - Show quoted text -

WARNING: Using a fake name, Ari's premise is simple... "a lie is
as good as the truth if he can get someone to believe it." But
heed this warning; he has tried all of this before. Just look
back on the various newsgroups, and there he will be in all his
pathetic ugliness.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00204.html

[Mark]

On Sep 11, 12:18*am, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 05:23:15 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> >>>>> In a project to turn cash to bank deposits.
>
> >>>>> Entity A has been paid with US currency but is located in a US hostile
> >>>>> country. "C" is a US bank. "A" is supplied an web interface in his
> >>>>> native language and a computer with a dedicatad satellite link. "B"
> >>>>> is an intermediary located in the between "A" and "B". "A", "B" and
> >>>>> "C" are anonymous. I worked for "B" in a team. The communication is
> >>>>> one way from "A" through "B" to "C". "C" arranges for deposits to
> >>>>> accounts of "A". This is not part of the standard bank network.
>
> >>>>> Prior to the project, we were briefed as a team. No names were used..
> >>>>> All were strangers. A central bank was introduced which was not part
> >>>>> of the ANY banking system. They would guarantee the funds to "C" and
> >>>>> collect the cash from "A".
>
> >>>> Was this a private insurer, a gold vault, what do you mean by a
> >>>> "central bank" unless you mean this term generically as it is used in
> >>>> financial terms?
>
> >>> It was a she and she had collect over $30,000,000 to operate a real
> >>> central bank for the native american indians.
>
> >> Wait a minute. Central banks, banks of any kind are subject to a
> >> plethora of US law. A central back would have to exist outside of the
> >> Fed Reserve, have its own currency, the whole schlemiel.
>
> >> I think I would have noticed such an entity.
>
> > Not id the central bank was allowed by treaty and privilidges of
> > treaties going back to the 1500s. Indians have the right to autonomy.
> > The teaties gave them the rights of a nation. A virtual nation in
> > their case, not talkling about American Indians only, Maori tribes,
> > tribes of other nations. Central bank had no nationality. Except it
> > was national in itself. *
>
> WTF does this mean? A consortium of indigenous people who put $30M
> into a Central Banking system? Where was the bank's value, what backed
> the currency and why would this "Gail" secure a overt operation? Now
> answer all my assinine questions so I can feel like I'm not a 316 lb
> loser pretending to know what I'm talking about.
>
> >Gail paid the ultimate price but that is
> > history. The Open Transactions softeware could have solved problems.
>
> What price? Solved what problems? Why did my mommy
> reject me? Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

WARNING: Using a fake name, Ari's premise is simple... "a lie is
as good as the truth if he can get someone to believe it." But
heed this warning; he has tried all of this before. Just look
back on the various newsgroups, and there he will be in all his
pathetic ugliness.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00204.html