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  1. #1
    Skywise
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    software firewall suggestions

    Yeah, yeah. I've already seen some of the opinions in the group
    re software firewalls.... :) I've lurked here for quite a while.

    Anyway, I'm looking for comments on current software firewalls,
    preferably in the free category. This is for use on WinXPproSP3
    and possibly Win2KproSP4 as well.

    Of interest is controlling outbound communications, something
    windows firewall does not do. What I have now has helped me keep
    programs from dialing home and other such silliness.

    This has worked...so far...but suddenly I'm having probs with
    a game communicating between these two machines and I've traced
    it to the software firewall on the XP machine. It blocks port
    49000 always, even with a rule to always allow. Only disabling
    the firewall allows it to work. Not a preferred solution.
    (interestingly, both computers have the same firewall, but only
    the xp machine is giving me problems)

    My current program may just be borked and a reinstall may fix
    this, as I've googled myself silly trying to figure this out.

    But I thought I'd consider newer software as what I have now is
    probably antiquated by internet standards - KPF4.

    Brian
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  2. #2
    VanguardLH
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    Re: software firewall suggestions

    Skywise wrote:

    > Yeah, yeah. I've already seen some of the opinions in the group re
    > software firewalls.... :) I've lurked here for quite a while.


    And with that statement you think that anyone here believes you will now
    consider their opinion as valuable?

    > Anyway, I'm looking for comments on current software firewalls,
    > preferably in the free category. This is for use on WinXPproSP3 and
    > possibly Win2KproSP4 as well.


    Comments can consume a lot of space as each feature gets hashed over
    regarding applicability, reliability, usability, and completeness. If
    you instead are looking for recommendations, here's the top two free
    firewalls:

    - TallEmu Online Armor
    - Comodo Firewall (in their Internet Suite)
    o In CIS, disable their weak anti-virus component (CAV) and use it
    only for on-demand scanning as a 2nd check. Use a different AV
    product for on-access (realtime) protection.

    > Of interest is controlling outbound communications, something windows
    > firewall does not do.


    Windows 7 has outbound filtering but not of value to XP users. 3rd
    party firewalls are needed in XP for outbound filtering.

    > What I have now has helped me keep programs from dialing home and
    > other such silliness.


    But you don't mention what you have now so recommendations might
    duplicate what you are already using now.

    (UPDATE: I saw later that you mentioned what you use at the very end of
    your post instead of at the very start.)

    > This has worked...so far...but suddenly I'm having probs with
    > a game communicating between these two machines and I've traced
    > it to the software firewall on the XP machine. It blocks port
    > 49000 always, even with a rule to always allow. Only disabling
    > the firewall allows it to work. Not a preferred solution.
    > (interestingly, both computers have the same firewall, but only
    > the xp machine is giving me problems)


    Alas, some firewalls seem to forget their rules. I ran into this with
    Symantec's and Sygate's firewalls a long time ago. You had to delete
    the rule, reboot, and then recreate the rule and suddenly the firewall
    would honor that rule.

    > My current program may just be borked and a reinstall may fix
    > this, as I've googled myself silly trying to figure this out.


    If you're using the firewall in Symantec or McAfee products, also make
    sure you use their cleanup utilities to thoroughly wipe them after an
    uninstall before you reinstall them (or install something else).

    > But I thought I'd consider newer software as what I have now is
    > probably antiquated by internet standards - KPF4.


    Oh, that must be Kerio Personal Firewall v4. Yep, that's old. I'd go
    with the above recommendations. Online Armor is probably easier to use,
    especially when it comes to defining rules. Plus it has its Run Safer
    feature which can make a process (started by you or as a child process
    started by another process) forced to run under a LUA (limited user
    account) token which means it runs under reduced privileges, something
    handy for improved security with Internet-facing applications (e.g., web
    browser, e-mail client, newsreader).

    However, I haven't found a firewall yet that may not sometimes interfere
    with the use of your "good" apps. I use a video stream capture utility
    that dynamically loads its driver when run and firewalls don't like that
    despite defining a rule to grant all privileges in the HIPS portion of
    the firewall (i.e., an app rule versus a network rule). Disabling the
    firewall doesn't always work so I have to configure the firewall to NOT
    enable on Windows startup and have to reboot.

  3. #3
    Skywise
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    Re: software firewall suggestions

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:i4rna3$trh$1@news.albasani.net:

    > Skywise wrote:
    >
    >> Yeah, yeah. I've already seen some of the opinions in the group re
    >> software firewalls.... :) I've lurked here for quite a while.

    >
    > And with that statement you think that anyone here believes you will now
    > consider their opinion as valuable?


    I was simply trying to avoid rehashing old matter, and just cut
    to the chase. I do value peoples opinions here, otherwise I
    would not have asked. This appears to be one of the few remaining
    newgroups where most people seem to actually know WTF they're
    talking about.


    > But you don't mention what you have now so recommendations might
    > duplicate what you are already using now.
    >
    > (UPDATE: I saw later that you mentioned what you use at the very end of
    > your post instead of at the very start.)


    I originally wasn't planning on mentioning it at all. Adding it in was
    an afterthought. Yes, I realized the recommendations might duplicate
    what I have, and if that was the case, then I would have considered
    fixing what I have instead of getting something new. New isn't always
    better.

    The funny thing with my port rule is I added it AFTER I started
    having problems. I probably should also mention that the problem
    didn't start UNTIL I installed KPF4. I've used it for years on my
    Win2k machine just fine, and when I decided to ditch XP's firewall
    I figured I'd use what I know. After all, it's worked fine all this
    time, right? HA!!! Silly me....

    But thank you very much for your thoughts. They're exactly the kind of
    comments I was hoping for.

    Brian
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  4. #4
    Regis
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    Re: software firewall suggestions

    Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> writes:

    > VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:i4rna3$trh$1@news.albasani.net:
    >
    >> Skywise wrote:
    >>
    >>> Yeah, yeah. I've already seen some of the opinions in the group re
    >>> software firewalls.... :) I've lurked here for quite a while.

    >>
    >> And with that statement you think that anyone here believes you will now
    >> consider their opinion as valuable?

    >
    > I was simply trying to avoid rehashing old matter, and just cut
    > to the chase. I do value peoples opinions here, otherwise I
    > would not have asked. This appears to be one of the few remaining
    > newgroups where most people seem to actually know WTF they're
    > talking about.


    Not to mention, there's far from a consensus on the subject of whether
    third party firewalls have value, or if there's really mostly a vocal
    minority that has strong opinions against them, and a majority that
    do find value in their outbound filtering capabilities and more easily
    configured inbound flow management that simply doesn't want to take
    the time arguing. :-)




  5. #5
    Skywise
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    Re: software firewall suggestions

    Regis <ordsec@gmail.org> wrote in
    news:8462z1uwui@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

    > Not to mention, there's far from a consensus on the subject of whether
    > third party firewalls have value, or if there's really mostly a vocal
    > minority that has strong opinions against them, and a majority that
    > do find value in their outbound filtering capabilities and more easily
    > configured inbound flow management that simply doesn't want to take
    > the time arguing. :-)


    From the opinions I recall off hand, it seems those most vocal
    against such firewalls are arguing against its use as an exclusive
    security measure. I have to agree. There is no one-size-fits-all
    solution when it comes to internet security. A software firewall
    can, if implemented properly, be one element of a total package.

    Further, security is not an install-and-forget solution. As for
    the general internet user, my experience has been that most
    computer problems are CAUSED by the user doing something, rather
    than some attack sneaking into their computer.

    I don't claim expertise. I have no formal training in this. I
    just use my noodle and years of experience (and a dose here and
    there of reading what others say). I'm apparently doing something
    mostly right based on my personal results.

    Brian
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  6. #6
    Sr Peabody
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    Re: software firewall suggestions

    "Skywise" <into@oblivion.nothing.com> escribió en el mensaje
    news:4gcco.117251$Nu2.35425@hurricane...
    > Yeah, yeah. I've already seen some of the opinions in the group
    > re software firewalls.... :) I've lurked here for quite a while.
    >
    > Anyway, I'm looking for comments on current software firewalls,
    > preferably in the free category. This is for use on WinXPproSP3
    > and possibly Win2KproSP4 as well.

    [...]


    http://www.matousec.com/projects/pro...oducts-ratings

    Saludos,

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  7. #7
    Yadda
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    Re: software firewall suggestions

    on 9/3/10 3:25 AM Sr Peabody said the following:
    > "Skywise"<into@oblivion.nothing.com> escribió en el mensaje
    > news:4gcco.117251$Nu2.35425@hurricane...
    >> Yeah, yeah. I've already seen some of the opinions in the group
    >> re software firewalls.... :) I've lurked here for quite a while.
    >>
    >> Anyway, I'm looking for comments on current software firewalls,
    >> preferably in the free category. This is for use on WinXPproSP3
    >> and possibly Win2KproSP4 as well.

    > [...]
    >
    >
    > http://www.matousec.com/projects/pro...oducts-ratings
    >
    > Saludos,
    >


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