Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

[Your Name]

In article <0bn5065qj41ptfcpi6utakj7v2h5kpont4@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 31 May 2010 09:02:27 +1200, "Your Name" <your.name@isp.com>
> wrote in <htuke8$2e9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>:
>
> >Apple rarely gets it completely wrong, and when they (supposedly) do it's
> >really a matter of mis-timing, e.g. the Newton was cancelled just as
> >everybody else started jumping on the PDA bandwagon.
>
> Newton was canceled because Apple got it completely wrong.

Yep, Apple got it wrong ... that explains why so many other companies
jumped on the bandwagon only a couple of years later. :-\

The only things Apple got wrong with the Newton was the price and
releasing it before it was really ready (resulting in problems with the
handwriting recognition for many people).

[nospam]

In article <l46606tl3ff11ohqunb3mlr2598fo2f2gi@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >The only things Apple got wrong with the Newton was the price and
> >releasing it before it was really ready (resulting in problems with the
> >handwriting recognition for many people).
>
> What actually eventually succeeded was netbooks, which had nothing to do
> with things Apple.

yet another invalid comparison.

one of the main reasons palm succeeded over newton was because palm was
the right size. newton was too big.

[Your Name]

In article <l46606tl3ff11ohqunb3mlr2598fo2f2gi@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 31 May 2010 13:11:28 +1200, your.name@isp.com (Your Name) wrote
> in <your.name-3105101311280001@203-109-168-210.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>:
>
> >In article <0bn5065qj41ptfcpi6utakj7v2h5kpont4@4ax.com>, John Navas
> ><jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 31 May 2010 09:02:27 +1200, "Your Name" <your.name@isp.com>
> >> wrote in <htuke8$2e9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>:
> >>
> >> >Apple rarely gets it completely wrong, and when they (supposedly) do it's
> >> >really a matter of mis-timing, e.g. the Newton was cancelled just as
> >> >everybody else started jumping on the PDA bandwagon.
> >>
> >> Newton was canceled because Apple got it completely wrong.
> >
> >Yep, Apple got it wrong ... that explains why so many other companies
> >jumped on the bandwagon only a couple of years later. :-\
> >
> >The only things Apple got wrong with the Newton was the price and
> >releasing it before it was really ready (resulting in problems with the
> >handwriting recognition for many people).
>
> What actually eventually succeeded was netbooks, which had nothing to do
> with things Apple.

Netbooks are nothing to do with PDAs, Newtons nor iPads.

[Your Name]

In article <300520101906423874%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <l46606tl3ff11ohqunb3mlr2598fo2f2gi@4ax.com>, John Navas
> <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > >The only things Apple got wrong with the Newton was the price and
> > >releasing it before it was really ready (resulting in problems with the
> > >handwriting recognition for many people).
> >
> > What actually eventually succeeded was netbooks, which had nothing to do
> > with things Apple.
>
> yet another invalid comparison.
>
> one of the main reasons palm succeeded over newton was because palm was
> the right size. newton was too big.

Personally I prefer the Newton's size - true it was too big to fit in a
pocket, but the Palm was too small to be useful (and had a hopeles OS and
second-rate "handwriting" recognition that was nothing of the kind).

[nospam]

In article
<your.name-3105101615510001@203-109-170-215.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:

> Personally I prefer the Newton's size - true it was too big to fit in a
> pocket, but the Palm was too small to be useful (and had a hopeles OS and
> second-rate "handwriting" recognition that was nothing of the kind).

the newton fit in a jacket pocket just fine, something the ipad cannot
do.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 30 May 2010 21:16:40 -0700, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article
><your.name-3105101615510001@203-109-170-215.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
>Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:
>
>> Personally I prefer the Newton's size - true it was too big to fit in a
>> pocket, but the Palm was too small to be useful (and had a hopeles OS and
>> second-rate "handwriting" recognition that was nothing of the kind).
>
>the newton fit in a jacket pocket just fine, something the ipad cannot
>do.

Well, there are suits that will fit an iPad:
<http://gizmodo.com/5549151/suits-with-custom-ipad-pockets-for-the-fanboy-on-the-go>

Stephen Colbert probably wore one of these suits at the Grammy's:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqp8_m5It5s>

If all else fails:
<http://www.ohnodoom.com/ibap/>


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[Michelle Steiner]

In article <300520102116401288%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> the newton fit in a jacket pocket just fine, something the ipad cannot
> do.

I'm more interested in how it would fit in my purse.

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[Michelle Steiner]

In article
<your.name-3105101613460001@203-109-170-215.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
your.name@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:

> > What actually eventually succeeded was netbooks, which had nothing to
> > do with things Apple.
>
> Netbooks are nothing to do with PDAs, Newtons nor iPads.

Not only that, but netbooks are cannibalizing sales from laptops, and with
their lower margins, are reducing profits from the companies that sell both.

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[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

In article <michelle-E8BCCC.00144131052010@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <300520102116401288%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > the newton fit in a jacket pocket just fine, something the ipad cannot
> > do.
>
> I'm more interested in how it would fit in my purse.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8264/ipadx.jpg

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 31 May 2010 00:14:41 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>I'm more interested in how it would fit in my purse.

"Carrying around the iPad"
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_5t8zPWLc> (3:10)
Notice that she also carries the keyboard.

There are already iPad specific purse, handbag, backpack, and luggage
products announced. Some are for men only:
<http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/01/the-real-ipad-winners-our-nations-beleaguered-man-purse-industry.html>


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[Dennis Ferguson]

On 2010-05-31, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article
><your.name-3105101613460001@203-109-170-215.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> your.name@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
>> > What actually eventually succeeded was netbooks, which had nothing to
>> > do with things Apple.
>>
>> Netbooks are nothing to do with PDAs, Newtons nor iPads.
>
> Not only that, but netbooks are cannibalizing sales from laptops, and with
> their lower margins, are reducing profits from the companies that sell both.

That doesn't sound like a bad thing, somehow, at least if you are
a buyer rather than a seller.

Dennis Ferguson

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <slrni07trt.62.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>,
Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

> >> Netbooks are nothing to do with PDAs, Newtons nor iPads.
> >
> > Not only that, but netbooks are cannibalizing sales from laptops, and
> > with their lower margins, are reducing profits from the companies that
> > sell both.
>
> That doesn't sound like a bad thing, somehow, at least if you are a
> buyer rather than a seller.

In the short term, yes.

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[Michelle Steiner]

In article <99s706lsr8sgv9imoafsqr5calg24hkplu@4ax.com>,
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> >I'm more interested in how it would fit in my purse.
>
> "Carrying around the iPad"
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_5t8zPWLc> (3:10)
> Notice that she also carries the keyboard.
>
> There are already iPad specific purse, handbag, backpack, and luggage
> products announced. Some are for men only:
> <http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/0...-nations-belea
> guered-man-purse-industry.html>

There's also the matter of weight; the iPad wouldn't be the only thing in
the purse.

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:33:52 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <99s706lsr8sgv9imoafsqr5calg24hkplu@4ax.com>,
> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
>> >I'm more interested in how it would fit in my purse.
>>
>> "Carrying around the iPad"
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_5t8zPWLc> (3:10)
>> Notice that she also carries the keyboard.
>>
>> There are already iPad specific purse, handbag, backpack, and luggage
>> products announced. Some are for men only:
>> <http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/0...-nations-belea
>> guered-man-purse-industry.html>

Then, there's the iPad shoulder holster for the Mafia hit man look:
<http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/918a/>

>There's also the matter of weight; the iPad wouldn't be the only thing in
>the purse.

The iPad weighs 0.72 kg. Never mind carrying the Bluetooth keyboard.
To compensate, switch to a light weight automatic such as a Glock 22
which only weighs about 0.8 kg loaded. Also, forget about carrying
extra ammo and clips.

I'm nosey. Just how much does your purse or handbag currently weigh
loaded (without the iPad)? The ladyfriend won't let me anywhere near
her purse, so I can't weigh it. Probably full of ordinance,
contraband, and chemicals.


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[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

In article <vcc806t930tja7voe9mft17v4ssitudool@4ax.com>,
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> The iPad weighs 0.72 kg. Never mind carrying the Bluetooth keyboard.
> To compensate, switch to a light weight automatic such as a Glock 22
> which only weighs about 0.8 kg loaded. Also, forget about carrying
> extra ammo and clips.

Magazines, not clips.

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <vcc806t930tja7voe9mft17v4ssitudool@4ax.com>,
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> I'm nosey. Just how much does your purse or handbag currently weigh
> loaded (without the iPad)?

2 pounds, or about 0.91 kilos.

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[Michelle Steiner]

In article <vcc806t930tja7voe9mft17v4ssitudool@4ax.com>,
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> To compensate, switch to a light weight automatic such as a Glock 22
> which only weighs about 0.8 kg loaded. Also, forget about carrying
> extra ammo and clips.

That would be a magazine, not a clip. A magazine contains its own
follower; a clip uses a follower built into the weapon.

For example, "automatic" pistols (which are really semi-automatic) use
magazines, as do the M14 and M16 rifles. The M1 rifle uses a clip.

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 31 May 2010 16:05:54 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <vcc806t930tja7voe9mft17v4ssitudool@4ax.com>,
> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
>> To compensate, switch to a light weight automatic such as a Glock 22
>> which only weighs about 0.8 kg loaded. Also, forget about carrying
>> extra ammo and clips.
>
>That would be a magazine, not a clip. A magazine contains its own
>follower; a clip uses a follower built into the weapon.

Sorry. I tend to call everything a clip.

>For example, "automatic" pistols (which are really semi-automatic) use
>magazines, as do the M14 and M16 rifles. The M1 rifle uses a clip.

Magazines are too heavy and bulky. I use stripper clips and a
speedloader to load magazines:
<http://www.maglula.com>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmLITw0OAFc>

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 31 May 2010 16:03:35 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <vcc806t930tja7voe9mft17v4ssitudool@4ax.com>,
> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm nosey. Just how much does your purse or handbag currently weigh
>> loaded (without the iPad)?
>
>2 pounds, or about 0.91 kilos.

Ok, I see the problem. Adding 0.72kg of iPad to your 0.91kg purse is
going to be a substantial increase. It also means you probably don't
want to swing the purse around as a weapon. I don't know what to
recommend. Perhaps a larger purse, the shoulder holster, or a
backpack?


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[Michelle Steiner]

In article <7mi806h51qms88j0gf9sov0khrsribctt1@4ax.com>,
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> >> I'm nosey. Just how much does your purse or handbag currently weigh
> >> loaded (without the iPad)?
> >
> >2 pounds, or about 0.91 kilos.
>
> Ok, I see the problem. Adding 0.72kg of iPad to your 0.91kg purse is
> going to be a substantial increase. It also means you probably don't
> want to swing the purse around as a weapon. I don't know what to
> recommend. Perhaps a larger purse, the shoulder holster, or a backpack?

None of the above. I'll continue to use an iPhone, but if Apple comes out
with a smaller version of the iPad, about the size of a nook (7.7 x 4.9 x
0.5 in (196 x 125 x 13 mm), 12.1 oz (343 g)), I'd seriously consider
getting one.

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