The universe

[Rivas]

Evolution.

[stevebakh]

It is a totally evolutionary thing without any God

If you take the logical path of believing in a creator, then you have to carry that logic onwards and ask, "who created the creator?" It doesn't work if you believe we had to have been created by a superiour force or God due in part to our physical and mental complexity, but then think that God, who I presume in your eyes is far more complex and superiour that us, has no creator. That in itself, defies the very logic you use to justify the creator in the first place.

[emilyb]

Created in 6 days, God rested on the 7th.

Theistic evolution.

Ditto

[A_COMMUNIST]

the force is an energy field that surrounds all living things. It binds us and keeps us together. Life creates. makes it grow.

over there, the ship. that rock, the tree.

judge me by my size do you?

for my ally is the force. and a powerful ally it is.

where did you find the force?

in the ally.

for a 1000 generations (Dog Years) the jedi knights were the hall monitors of the galaxy.
that was before the dark time. before the democratic party went tax and spend liberal.

[saved]

In your opinion.........and thats all it is ...an opinion...unless of course you have proof?

No an opinion is something that has supposition without actual evidence. This is fact. There is no possibility for a hurricane to assemble a 747 and there is no possibility for everything to come from nothing on its own.

[stevebakh]

No an opinion is something that has supposition without actual evidence. This is fact. There is no possibility for a hurricane to assemble a 747 and there is no possibility for everything to come from nothing on its own.

Obviously, if your proof was as solid as you believe it to be, you wouldn't need to try and convince anyone, now would you?

[SRF01]

It is "technically" possible for 2 solid objects to pass through one another, given that the molicules were aligned perfectly.
So I would think that it is "technically" possible for a hurrican to assemble a 747.

[stevebakh]

It is "technically" possible for 2 solid objects to pass through one another, given that the molicules were aligned perfectly.
So I would think that it is "technically" possible for a hurrican to assemble a 747.

[saved]

It is "technically" possible for 2 solid objects to pass through one another, given that the molicules were aligned perfectly.
So I would think that it is "technically" possible for a hurrican to assemble a 747.

No it is not possible for two solid objects to pass through each other. Not in any situation. That is science fiction.

[saved]

Obviously, if your proof was as solid as you believe it to be, you wouldn't need to try and convince anyone, now would you?

Yes there are many who are blind.

[stevebakh]

No it is not possible for two solid objects to pass through each other. Not in any situation. That is science fiction.

Actually, you are wrong. It is technically possible. When you look at the molecular level, we're made more of space than we are of matter. There are gabs between each atom and the space around each one by which electrons orbit the nucleus. In fact, I believe that neutrinos can pass straight through solid matter, even passing straight through our planet. This is basic chemistry.


It's also funny, whilst you believe non-believers are blind, non-believers believe that you are blind. So really - whilst you have as much faith in your belief, someone else doesn't. I think that you're as blind as you probably believe me to be. So who's right? It's impossible to decide such a thing. You can only justify your belief in your own mind.

[saved]

Actually, you are wrong. It is technically possible. When you look at the molecular level, we're made more of space than we are of matter. There are gabs between each atom and the space around each one by which electrons orbit the nucleus. In fact, I believe that neutrinos can pass straight through solid matter, even passing straight through our planet. This is basic chemistry.


It's also funny, whilst you believe non-believers are blind, non-believers believe that you are blind. So really - whilst you have as much faith in your belief, someone else doesn't. I think that you're as blind as you probably believe me to be. So who's right? It's impossible to decide such a thing. You can only justify your belief in your own mind.

The proof is in the fact that it is impossible. Stating that something is does not make it so. There is absolutely no scientific proof to back up your claim. Like those who claim that everything came from nothing on its own which is ridicules since "nothingness" does not have "its own," since it does not exist the idea that a solid can pass through another solid is false. It has to be first reduced to something other then a solid to accomplish the act.

[stevebakh]

Uggh - and you think I'm blind? Did you read anything I just said?! Neutrinos pass through the earth RIGHT NOW! Yes..

Are you aware of how things are assembled, or do you choose not to believe in atoms and molecules too? Forget this argument... let's discuss this from your point of view. You're taking the logical standpoint that since we exist, we must have been created. You also believe we were created by a superiour being. You probably look at the complexity of things like the eyeball, the human brain, the world and use these to justify your beliefs that we're far too complex to have come about "by chance" and that we must have been "created".

Now let's STAY with that train of thought and apply it again, to your own beliefs. Who created your creator? It's a simple question. If you believe that your creator is "eternal" then why is it so far fetched to believe that the universe is eteranal in itself.

So please, using your own train of thought, explain where your creator came from. How was he created and so who created your creators creator?

[MadDoctor]

There is absolutely no scientific proof to back up your claim.

There is absolutely no scientific proof of many things... to include the existence of God. Individual faith in the existence of God is the only thing that supports the existence of God. This poll is thus a philosophical debate that has no answer. Philosophical debates don’t require proof of claims.

[downhill]

Brent,
the bible does not teach what you have said. It does say in Peter that a thousand years is as a day to the Lord. However even if one took that literal as for the creation you could not get millions of years. Only an extra 6 thousand years, one thousand for each creation day mentioned.

I'm looking at this and see someting you might have missed...."as" isn't an absolute term. As is clear on these fourms...people tend to talk in generalisms.

Remember they did not have timex watches when the account was given and they determind time by the daylight hours and the night time hours, so scriptuure was give in terms that anyone could undertand.

Why would you need a watch to undersand a concept of time?

Finally in the account if you read it carefully you will see that the plants were created one day before the sun. They could not have survied without the sunlight for many days much less years.

Maybe it was an early blunder and the writer ment planets....
Not that it matters.....I find that the original account is amazing in how it fits with what science now speculates on the beginning of the Universe, and the evolution of this planet.

[YARDofSTUF]

Brent,
the bible does not teach what you have said. It does say in Peter that a thousand years is as a day to the Lord. However even if one took that literal as for the creation you could not get millions of years. Only an extra 6 thousand years, one thousand for each creation day mentioned.

and he rested on teh 7th, so thats an extra 7,000 years

[saved]

Now let's STAY with that train of thought and apply it again, to your own beliefs. Who created your creator? It's a simple question. If you believe that your creator is "eternal" then why is it so far fetched to believe that the universe is eteranal in itself.

So please, using your own train of thought, explain where your creator came from. How was he created and so who created your creators creator?

The Creator has always been. he is self existing and has no beginning. The universe cannot be eternal since any such idea would violate the second law of thermal dynamics. And yes it is far fetched to believe thta everything came from nothing and then evolved.

[saved]

and he rested on teh 7th, so thats an extra 7,000 years

Actuallt that would be incorrect. The creation time line is only a six day period and if one wanted to claim that the days are years there was only six mentioned in the creation. The 7th was not a creation day. Even if one were to hold the view that there was 6 thousand years of creation instead of a literal 6 day creation it would mean nothing in the scheme of things when debating the timeline claimed by some as billions of years. However the text is clear in that it means literal days.

[Ghosthunter]

well the earth has been around for what billions of years? and we know dinosuars were here way before man was...so something does not add up in those 6 days or 6,000 years.

Just remember people use to believe the earth was flat/

i believe in science anyday over a book that was written 2,000 years ago when they did not have science like we do with all our modern technology.

[Rivas]

well the earth has been around for what billions of years? and we know dinosuars were here way before man was...so something does not add up in those 6 days or 6,000 years.

Just remember people use to believe the earth was flat/

i believe in science anyday over a book that was written 2,000 years ago when they did not have science like we do with all our modern technology.

exactly