Can I get a T1?

[oakfan52]

Does anyone know if you can get a T1 at your home. And if so how much is it ?

[Duzmor]

THATS ALOT OF MONEY:eek: :eek: :eek:
Duzmor:D :D
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Kip Patterson]

Those prices are pretty high. You should be able to get a T-1 in a decent-sized city where there is competition for about $600 all up, that is, including the local loop.

These things are always bazaar pricing. Kind of like a yard sale.

Kip

[CompGeek83]

notice that dsl offers the same range of speeds for a fraction (pardon the pun) of the price

[EvilAjax]

$559 for 1.544mbps? Ha! That is the biggest rip off in the world. People pay $29.95 for 8 times that! Optimum Online for example... 8mbps and up! T1 aint nothin! T3 is a whole 'nother story.......

[drdoug99]

correct me if I'm wrong, but with the T1 line, isn't it 1.5mbps upstream and downstream, and it's constant as well, never dropping below that point? plus like 99.99% uptime right? still, it's a crap load of money, when you have business cable and dsl services for $99 bucks or so. why are T1's so expensive, if cable, and dsl provide better speed?

[ZenOps]

For most people a T1 is a waste of money. It was good technology 10 years ago, but it is dying now. 1.544Mbits up/down isn't a whole lot of bandwidth for what the going rate is.

If this is for a serious app, you should be considering leasing 1/128th of a OC3 (or better) line. It will probably be cheaper, it will definitely be more reliable and faster (raw bandwidth and pings). For a home user, Cable or xDSL is the way to go, if you can get a T1 in your area, most likely you can get either or both of them.

[tomsykes]

a T1/E1 is probably a waste for a home user unless you're planning on doing alot of uploading....Cable/DSL is a much better choice given the traffic patterns of most users.

The best situation would be if you are in an apartment tower..... fast ethernet connection straight to your apartment then :D

[tomonator]

Where would you go to lease 1/128th of a OC3 or better line? Yes I do agree that a T1 is a waste of money, only 1.5 up/down bandwith, come on!!! Thanks in advance for any help I get. also just wondering is there truely a OC196 connection? Just wondering cause it would be cool to get 1/128th of 9.6GBPS! L8ter! Can you say SPEED?

[tomsykes]

You must mean OC192 - Also known as STM64 in Europe/Australia. These do exist, many backbone providers / carriers use them as trunks.

They are delivered over fibre only, so it makes residential deployment of OC192/STM64 difficult to say the least :D

You aren't going to find a 1/128 of an OC192 product offering either.... that would equal about 78Mbps which could be offered using a much much lower cost OC3/STM1 interface.

Cheers
Tom Sykes
Melbourne, Australia.

[Joe]

Im sure it was 1.5mb x 8 +

not a single line of 1.5mb

[EvilAjax]

Yes I don't think that it's ONLY 1.544mbps because businesses use it and they network with it... I think that everyone in a cubical gets the same ammount of speed... 1.544mbps... I could be wrong......

[tomsykes]

Originally posted by drdoug99
correct me if I'm wrong, but with the T1 line, isn't it 1.5mbps upstream and downstream, and it's constant as well, never dropping below that point? plus like 99.99% uptime right? still, it's a crap load of money, when you have business cable and dsl services for $99 bucks or so. why are T1's so expensive, if cable, and dsl provide better speed?

We need to get the clarification right. You could buy a different type of ISDN line for your business, which works under the T carrier system - which has 23 lines in it (64kbps x 24 = 1.536Mbps = T1 line rate). This is provided over (typically) a circuit switched network - which the telco has spent alot of money establishing. These services are business services and as such are very reliable (and hence expensive). You could also get say, a 1.5Mb frame relay connection, with a committed information rate (basically a bandwidth guarantee) of, say, 1Mbps.

This doesn't happen on residential cable/dsl networks

[HalfLifer]

I would say big rip-off. If I were to pay 599$ a month for internet service, it better be atleast 6mbps up AND down..

[subzero]

A dsl line would be better than a t1. Right now i can get a 10mbs down and 4mb up for about 350 bucks a month. Thinking about it.:confused: :confused: :confused: :rotfl: :eek:

[tomsykes]

That would delivered by VDSL, and is not widely available because the technology is severely distance limited with the existing telephone infrastructure.

[tomonator]

thanks for clarifying that tomsykes, im sure as time continues internet connections and everything else will improve with costs going down, I just wish time would hurry up! Also just wondering how this got into a forum for cable & DSL =)

[Joe]

Like i said before Im pretty sure it was a number of 1.5mb lines

[tekelberry]

Why would you want a T1?

[Kip Patterson]

For ping:

What was "a number of T-1 lines"?

Sorry, but i can't figure out what your comment refers to.

Thanks,

Kip

[HalfLifer]

Originally posted by PING
Like i said before Im pretty sure it was a number of 1.5mb lines


He talking about VDSL, Kip

[Joe]

When they said 599 for 1.5mb it was multiple lines of 1.5mb not a single line

[Kip Patterson]

"When they said 599 for 1.5mb it was multiple lines of 1.5mb not a single line."

Actually, $599 is a really good price for a single T-1 line. They've come down a great deal. in 1999 I was quoted $2300 for a T-1.

Kip

[Joe]

599$ is good?

If it were a single line of 1.5mb and you payed 599$ for it a month you would have to be insane.

You can get DSL faster than that for less than 100$

[martialcomp]

The national average for a T-1 is $795 dollars. There is no way that a DSL connection could be obtained for less than a $100 dollars that would match the speeds of a T-1, a T-1 is 1.544 megabits both downstream and upstream. It is the upstream that most people need and is being paid for. It is true that even a basic DSL/cable connection can match the downstream speeds, but there is no way that the upstream could be matched with a residential connection. T-1's and dual T-1's are used for servers on a regular basis on the internet. Before MP3.com was bought out by Vivendi, they were on a single T-1 line. I have said it before and I will say it again, upstream costs a lot more than downstream. Alot more sites are running on a T-1 than people realize. Another example is http://www.grc.com , he is on a dual T-1 line. Most online sites actually lose money. Look at http://www.egghead.com They lose more and more every quarter. Ticker symbol is EGGS. They are in danger is getting de-listed from the Nasdaq at .67 cents a share. There is this mis-concention that the internet somehow has unlimited bandwidth for everyone. But, the reality is that a lot of sites are on T-1's or less because they cannot afford more bandwidth. Where would the money come from?

[Joe]

nice to know you can search for info on the web

its bytes not bits... and T-1s are not 1.5mb standard

[tomsykes]

"its bytes not bits" ?

Actually - in data communications - rates are always expressed in bits per second. a T1 is 1,544,000 bits per second, of which 1,536,000 are useable. Fractional T1's are a certain portion of this.

Regards,
Tom Sykes
Melbourne, Australia.
B.Eng (Comms) Y2

[Joe]

My bad i forgot you were the T1 expert.. you go ahead and pay 599$ a month for a 1.5megabit "T1"

[tomsykes]

Originally posted by PING
My bad i forgot you were the T1 expert.. you go ahead and pay 599$ a month for a 1.5megabit "T1"

*yawn*

[HalfLifer]

Ping, take it easy dude. A T1 is 24 phone lines of 64kbps each, which adds up to 1.544mbps.

[subzero]

can you connect 24 phone lines to one computer???????

[tomsykes]

Yes, you need what's called a Primary Rate ISDN card - or a PRI for short. This will connect 23 phone lines + 1 signalling channel to your computer if you use a T1 (America, Japan, etc), or 31 phone lines + 1 signalling channel if you use E1 (Europe, Australia, etc).

This is how smaller ISP's provide modem dialin (through multiple T1/E1's with digital modem cards)

[Joe]

So your saying every single T1 uses that same layout :)

to be honest I dont care...

I dont want to get anyone angry by arguing about something like this.

[tomsykes]

I dont recall saying that.

[Joe]

I was reffering to half-lifers comment.. he stated that in the "as a matter of fact" form