Junk powerline extenders

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

I had one of my folks pick up a Netgear HDX-101 powerline adapter kit
with the idea that we'd network our new T&A clock to the office computers
without having to trench.

The total wire distance from the clock to the breaker, then from the
breaker to the office is 70'. Both outlets on the same leg of single-
phase 110. No carrier detected.

So I brought them both into the office. If the two are connected on the
same branch, and are less than 20' apart, we get carrier. If they're on
different branches of the same leg, no carrier.

So I plugged them both into the same outlet, and did some tests.

1) they're rated at 200mb/s but have only 10/100 ports... HUH?
2) they averaged under 8mb/s throughput when on the same outlet. Ok...
maybe they're swamping... Move them to two outlets eight feet apart on
the same branch.... 7mb/s.

I'd say this is not the way to stream video... no?

LLoyd

[ps56k]

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> I had one of my folks pick up a Netgear HDX-101 powerline adapter kit
> with the idea that we'd network our new T&A clock to the office
> computers without having to trench.
>
> The total wire distance from the clock to the breaker, then from the
> breaker to the office is 70'. Both outlets on the same leg of single-
> phase 110. No carrier detected.
>
> So I brought them both into the office. If the two are connected on
> the same branch, and are less than 20' apart, we get carrier. If
> they're on different branches of the same leg, no carrier.
>
> So I plugged them both into the same outlet, and did some tests.
>
> 1) they're rated at 200mb/s but have only 10/100 ports... HUH?
> 2) they averaged under 8mb/s throughput when on the same outlet.
> Ok... maybe they're swamping... Move them to two outlets eight feet
> apart on the same branch.... 7mb/s.
>
> I'd say this is not the way to stream video... no?
>
> LLoyd

wow - I'm surprised they didn't work better for you
http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapters.aspx
wonder if the 85rmbps units would work better...

years ago we used some Netgear telephone wiring bridges from the office to
the loading dock,
and they worked great..... but don't see anything like that listed anymore

[ps56k]

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> I had one of my folks pick up a Netgear HDX-101 powerline adapter kit
> with the idea that we'd network our new T&A clock to the office
> computers without having to trench.
>
> The total wire distance from the clock to the breaker, then from the
> breaker to the office is 70'. Both outlets on the same leg of single-
> phase 110. No carrier detected.
>
> So I brought them both into the office. If the two are connected on
> the same branch, and are less than 20' apart, we get carrier. If
> they're on different branches of the same leg, no carrier.
>
> So I plugged them both into the same outlet, and did some tests.
>
> 1) they're rated at 200mb/s but have only 10/100 ports... HUH?
> 2) they averaged under 8mb/s throughput when on the same outlet.
> Ok... maybe they're swamping... Move them to two outlets eight feet
> apart on the same branch.... 7mb/s.
>
> I'd say this is not the way to stream video... no?
>

SO - decided to try the powerline adapters to the time clock
vs your original WiFi AP idea - (from your other posted thread)

BTW - OT - is there any other way to "reference" another newgroup thread ?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.wireless/browse_thread/thread/24d20f42b70a22db/d15a1d56b764e4d9

[Peter Pan]

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> I had one of my folks pick up a Netgear HDX-101 powerline adapter kit
> with the idea that we'd network our new T&A clock to the office
> computers without having to trench.
>
> The total wire distance from the clock to the breaker, then from the
> breaker to the office is 70'. Both outlets on the same leg of single-
> phase 110. No carrier detected.
>
> So I brought them both into the office. If the two are connected on
> the same branch, and are less than 20' apart, we get carrier. If
> they're on different branches of the same leg, no carrier.
>
> So I plugged them both into the same outlet, and did some tests.
>
> 1) they're rated at 200mb/s but have only 10/100 ports... HUH?
> 2) they averaged under 8mb/s throughput when on the same outlet.
> Ok... maybe they're swamping... Move them to two outlets eight feet
> apart on the same branch.... 7mb/s.
>
> I'd say this is not the way to stream video... no?
>
> LLoyd

Did you get ONE or two (or more)? (above you didn't make it plural ie kit'S)
They work in pairs with each other at HS, or much slower with other
units.....

[seaweedsl]

I heard that those 101 s are not so good. The 103s are.

Steve

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info> fired this volley in
news:68l0h3F2th1h0U1@mid.individual.net:

> Did you get ONE or two (or more)? (above you didn't make it plural ie
> kit'S) They work in pairs with each other at HS, or much slower with
> other units.....
>
>
"kit" implies "the things you need to build xxx....". There are two
adaptors in a kit. Otherwise, I'd have said, "I bought ONE ethernet
powerline adaptor, and it won't hook up to my computer... (duh!)."

LLoyd

[Peter Pan]

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info> fired this volley in
> news:68l0h3F2th1h0U1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Did you get ONE or two (or more)? (above you didn't make it plural ie
>> kit'S) They work in pairs with each other at HS, or much slower with
>> other units.....
>>
>>
> "kit" implies "the things you need to build xxx....". There are two
> adaptors in a kit. Otherwise, I'd have said, "I bought ONE ethernet
> powerline adaptor, and it won't hook up to my computer... (duh!)."
>
> LLoyd

You are ASSUMING.... look at the website... a kit only has ONE (not two as
you ASSUME, they used to in the past but not anymore)......... So duh!
yourself
from
http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapters/HDX101.aspx

look at the dot points on that page.....
# Plug one HDX101 into your router and nearby electrical socket, then plug a
second HDX101 into an electrical socket near to the device you wish to
network¹
¹ Requires use of at least one other NETGEAR HDX101 (sold separately).

So again, a kit doesn't imply two, as a matter of fact it specifically (in
writing) says you need another one sold seperately (see above) so did you
get one or two(or more)

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info> fired this volley in
news:68r607F2tsnt6U1@mid.individual.net:

> http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAd
> apters/HDX101.aspx

Twit!

THIS is what Netgear CALLS a "kit" --

Powerline HD Network Kit
HDXB101 Powerline HD Network Kit from NETGEAR
http://www.netgear.com/Home/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEtherne
tAdapters/HDXB101.aspx

THIS is what Netgear CALLS an "adapter" --

Powerline HD Ethernet Adapter
HDX101 Powerline HD Ethernet Adapter from NETGEAR
http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdap
ters/HDX101.aspx?detail=Specifications


And as skilled as you are and picking and eating nits, you missed
entirely that the KIT is the very next listing after the ADAPTER you
copied and pasted.

Displayed like this on NETGEAR's page ---

Powerline HD Ethernet Adapter
HDX101 Powerline HD Ethernet Adapter from NETGEAR
http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdap
ters/HDX101.aspx

Powerline HD Network Kit
HDXB101 Powerline HD Network Kit from NETGEAR
http://www.netgear.com/Home/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEtherne
tAdapters/HDXB101.aspx

Twit!

LLoyd

[seaweedsl]

Going to Amazon to check buyer's comments on this product you can see
why I've been recommending that people go with the netgear 102 or 103
(104 is same) and NOT with 101s. There are good reviews, but the bad
ones are telling in this case:

Quote:

I attempted to upgrade my electric wiring based network from Netgear
XE104's (rated at 85Mbps) to the Netgear HDX101's (rated at 200Mbps).
The performance of the HDX101 network was substantially slower and
less reliable than the XE104 network with exactly the same devices
attached to the XE104's and the HDX101's. I did not have both networks
operating at the same time even though a HDX101 network supposedly can
co-exist with a XE104 network. I highly recommend the Netgear XE104,
but was very disappointed in the HDX101. I would not even recommend
the HDX101 for use on the same electrical circuit in the same room.
The HDX101 also becomes very warm in operation.
___________________________

Quote:
Beware: HDX[B]101 doesn't follow the HomePlug-AV standard.....
It follows a demonstrably inferior, European-brewed standard. Netgear
simply jumped the gun and didn't wait for HomePlug-AV chipsets to
become available. This HDX[B]101 product is a dead end, because
HomePlug-AV will win the standards war.

If you truly need higher speed than is attainable from HomePlug-Turbo
products such as Netgear's XE104 (85Mbits/s best-case raw channel
bitrate), then wait a little while for HomePlug-AV-compliant ("200Mb/
s") products to hit the market in the USA....
_____________________________

Comment: that's an old post - HomePlug-AV is now availible, I believe.

Here's an comment that may actually help with what you now have:

Quote:
One thing that we noticed though was the transfer speeds still weren't
that great. After some playing, a friend we stick a switch between the
router (linksys) and the powerline ethernet adapter, and that did it -
transfer speeds went through the roof (at the advertised
speeds)............ I recommend buying a cheap switch (got mine for
$10) and inserting that between the router and the "main" powerline
adapter and you'll be pleased.

________________________________________________


Steve

[ps56k]

x-posted to Ethernet newsgroup.... as it's more of that vs wifi

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> I had one of my folks pick up a Netgear HDX-101 powerline adapter kit
> with the idea that we'd network our new T&A clock to the office
> computers without having to trench.
>
> The total wire distance from the clock to the breaker, then from the
> breaker to the office is 70'. Both outlets on the same leg of single-
> phase 110. No carrier detected.
>
> So I brought them both into the office. If the two are connected on
> the same branch, and are less than 20' apart, we get carrier. If
> they're on different branches of the same leg, no carrier.
>
> So I plugged them both into the same outlet, and did some tests.
>
> 1) they're rated at 200mb/s but have only 10/100 ports... HUH?
> 2) they averaged under 8mb/s throughput when on the same outlet.
> Ok... maybe they're swamping... Move them to two outlets eight feet
> apart on the same branch.... 7mb/s.
>
> I'd say this is not the way to stream video... no?
>
> LLoyd

wow - I'm surprised they didn't work better for you
http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapters.aspx
wonder if the 85rmbps units would work better...

years ago we used some Netgear telephone wiring bridges from the office to
the loading dock,
and they worked great..... but don't see anything like that listed anymore
---

> Going to Amazon to check buyer's comments on this product you can see
> why I've been recommending that people go with the netgear 102 or 103
> (104 is same) and NOT with 101s. There are good reviews, but the bad
> ones are telling in this case:
>
> Quote:
>
> I attempted to upgrade my electric wiring based network from Netgear
> XE104's (rated at 85Mbps) to the Netgear HDX101's (rated at 200Mbps).
> The performance of the HDX101 network was substantially slower and
> less reliable than the XE104 network with exactly the same devices
> attached to the XE104's and the HDX101's. I did not have both networks
> operating at the same time even though a HDX101 network supposedly can
> co-exist with a XE104 network. I highly recommend the Netgear XE104,
> but was very disappointed in the HDX101. I would not even recommend
> the HDX101 for use on the same electrical circuit in the same room.
> The HDX101 also becomes very warm in operation.
> ___________________________
>
> Quote:
> Beware: HDX[B]101 doesn't follow the HomePlug-AV standard.....
> It follows a demonstrably inferior, European-brewed standard. Netgear
> simply jumped the gun and didn't wait for HomePlug-AV chipsets to
> become available. This HDX[B]101 product is a dead end, because
> HomePlug-AV will win the standards war.
>
> If you truly need higher speed than is attainable from HomePlug-Turbo
> products such as Netgear's XE104 (85Mbits/s best-case raw channel
> bitrate), then wait a little while for HomePlug-AV-compliant ("200Mb/
> s") products to hit the market in the USA....
> _____________________________
>
> Comment: that's an old post - HomePlug-AV is now availible, I believe.
>
> Here's an comment that may actually help with what you now have:
>
> Quote:
> One thing that we noticed though was the transfer speeds still weren't
> that great. After some playing, a friend we stick a switch between the
> router (linksys) and the powerline ethernet adapter, and that did it -
> transfer speeds went through the roof (at the advertised
> speeds)............ I recommend buying a cheap switch (got mine for
> $10) and inserting that between the router and the "main" powerline
> adapter and you'll be pleased.
>
> ________________________________________________
>
>
> Steve