Windows Vista SP1 released to Automatic Update

[Sava700]

Windows Vista users will now receive the SP1 via the Microsoft Automatic Update service, Microsoft has said.

"We're excited about the progress we've made with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. On March 18th, Windows Vista SP1 was made available for customers who chose to manually download and install it from the Microsoft Download Center or Windows Update in English, French, German, Spanish, and Japanese. Last week, we made the remaining languages available - giving WU users the ability to download and install Windows Vista Service Pack in any of 36 supported languages.

Today, we're happy to announce that we are beginning automatic distribution of SP1 in English, French, German, Spanish, and Japanese."


http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/04/23/automatic-distribution-of-windows-vista-sp1-begins-today.aspx

[Qui-Gon John]

How can I turn off getting Vista SP1 as an upgrade option from Windows Update?

When I uncheck it, (like you would do in XP), the update just closes, no option to say, "do not notify me of this update again", like XP had.

[Sava700]

How can I turn off getting Vista SP1 as an upgrade option from Windows Update?

When I uncheck it, (like you would do in XP), the update just closes, no option to say, "do not notify me of this update again", like XP had.

why do you want to block it? Its best to have it loaded.

[Qui-Gon John]

That's not what I've heard and read. In fact, there was a link on Speedguide home page a couple weeks ago to an article about someone who installed it and his Vista went to $h!t. Luckily for him, he was able to reverse the damage.

Why do you say it is best to have it?

[Sava700]

That's not what I've heard and read. In fact, there was a link on Speedguide home page a couple weeks ago to an article about someone who installed it and his Vista went to *****. Luckily for him, he was able to reverse the damage.

Why do you say it is best to have it?

if it didn't install correctly it was cause they did a manual install of the service pack and they had a driver on the list that didn't work too well with it...a older driver. If your computer is detecting it as part of windows updates from automatic then its sensed your system not to have this issue. This pack fixes many many things plus speeds up your system. Best to use it.

[Qui-Gon John]

Well, one day when I have a lot of time I might try it. But only after making a full Acronis backup first. So I can easily undo the damage if necessary. In the meantime, any idea on my first question?

[YeOldeStonecat]

Caution...test rollouts at one client, did 3x rigs....it broke 2x functions...a different function on each machine.
*Kodak camera stopped downloading pics
*Printing on another rig from Needles (law firm software) ceased.

Deploy with caution.

Users anxious to get some "zip" back reported no performance increase.

[Qui-Gon John]

See, it seems like holding off is best. My laptop with Vista runs quite well. It is an Acer. After I got it, I cleaned off all the junkware that comes with it. Loaded Spyware Blaster, Spybot, Anti-Vir and it runs quite well with standard Vista, no SP. Also has 2GB, less 512MB for video, still leaves a gig and a half.

I'll have to have some driving reason to incorporate SP1. Now if I could just turn off getting that update, w/o going as far as completely turning off Automatic Updates.

[Sava700]

ugg... I've deployed SP1 on about 30 different laptops so far for students...and each EACH one has seen a major improvement in performance..I have no idea why people can't see the difference..its like night and day! Half the UAC crap is turned off, networking is MUCH faster... I mean I don't care for vista much at all to be honest but to avoid SP1 is kinda a waste..I highly suggest it..its not going to break the computer, but if you wish to make a image then go ahead.

Here is a list of release notes on this thread that will help you decide!
http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=236611

[CableDude]

ugg... I've deployed SP1 on about 30 different laptops so far for students...

You the man Sava!! :D

[YeOldeStonecat]

I have no idea why people can't see the difference..its like night and day! H

Plenty of reputable websites/magazines doing actual benchmarks...and it's a tossup in the vast majority of them. Barely noticable improvements in some areas....negated by worse performance in other areas. Ends up being a washoff.

Plenty of promises made ...but the real world is showing it ain't there so much....backed further by colleagues in the business network support world.

<===not looking forward to the next 2 years with XPp not being available much anymore on new systems for clients...til W7 comes out...naturally will have to wait til SP1 comes out for that until deploying it to clients..so possibly even 3 years or more ahead of us.

[Sava700]

I've seen first hand this Service pack giving alot of performance increases... the reviews are obviously loop sided... can't ignore what my own eyes have seen.

But again..I have no idea why anyone would say not use the service pack when it fixes so much and applies so much to the OS.

[YARDofSTUF]

I've seen first hand this Service pack giving alot of performance increases... the reviews are obviously loop sided... can't ignore what my own eyes have seen.

But again..I have no idea why anyone would say not use the service pack when it fixes so much and applies so much to the OS.

Well you may have seen a boost because of an incompatability or a poorly done driver, or whatever, others may have had a more vista friendly system.

When a SP or other big fix comes out, if your system is fine, its generally a good idea to wait a week or so and see what the general consensus of the patch is, and then decide to upgrade, or wait.

[loop2kil]

.... loop sided...

hey now, no sense in dragging my name into this :)

[YeOldeStonecat]

I've seen first hand this Service pack giving alot of performance increases... the reviews are obviously loop sided... can't ignore what my own eyes have seen.

But again..I have no idea why anyone would say not use the service pack when it fixes so much and applies so much to the OS.

Installing a SP on an old computer...one that has been running for quite some time...various "issues" already on the PC..gives a placebo effect, combined with fresh windows system files which can fix some corrupt ones..give a little performance boost..but really not relating to the service pack itself. Sort of like a computer runs a bit better after reinstalling windows on top of itself.

A true test of the performance change that a service pack brings...it done by comparing identicle systems...one on a clean install without the service pack, and one with a clean install with the service pack...running the same benchmarks. There's no placebo effect here.

People would/should be wary about jumping onto the bandwagon because it can break a few things..just like being cautious about jumping onto a so called latest and greatest OS isn't the wisest choice either. The SP didn't fix a whole lot of important issues, not apply a lot of anything to the OS, if one has been keeping up with Microsoft updates anyways..security issues aren't vastly different either. And...as various tech forums of professionals in the field are being populated with things that the SP breaks...there's another reason to be cautious.

It's really the same old song as it has been with prior SPs and OSs...going way back into the NT 4 days..sit back...watch...don't rush and install the millisecond it comes out...let other things slowly evolve, get fixed, and become compatible with the SP.

[CableDude]

Snip...

I know what your avatar represents now. ;)

[Sava700]

Well you may have seen a boost because of an incompatability or a poorly done driver, or whatever, others may have had a more vista friendly system.

When a SP or other big fix comes out, if your system is fine, its generally a good idea to wait a week or so and see what the general consensus of the patch is, and then decide to upgrade, or wait.

the pack has been out for over a month now.. :wth:

Its best to go with it.. but as I said I've deployed this sucker over many many regular use laptops from all types and models.. no problems and the performance gains alot not to mention remove alot of annoying features like knocking some of the UAC down.

[Qui-Gon John]

I just turn off UAC if it is too much of a hassle for me or a given user.

[YARDofSTUF]

the pack has been out for over a month now.. :wth:

Its best to go with it.. but as I said I've deployed this sucker over many many regular use laptops from all types and models.. no problems and the performance gains alot not to mention remove alot of annoying features like knocking some of the UAC down.

Yeah its been a month and Qui gon has seen stuff he doesn't like with it. A change in how UAC works isn't a reason to get an SP when you can just change UAC yourself.

Stonecat already answered you on the performance stuff.

[Sava700]

Yeah its been a month and Qui gon has seen stuff he doesn't like with it. A change in how UAC works isn't a reason to get an SP when you can just change UAC yourself.

Stonecat already answered you on the performance stuff.

LOL doesn't matter to me what reviews anyone points at me..or what someone says.. I'm telling him from a first hand view that I've deployed it over a wide range of laptops and desktops and at this point no issues and lots of performance gain.

I don't really care for Vista at this point anyway and you know the reasons why I don't which is the memory usage issue. But you can't ignore the fact that SP1 does do a good deal of improvements to any system as long as drivers are updated good. the UAC stuff I bring up is just a example and the first thing off the top of my head so big deal.

Again here is a release note list on it which pretty much says it all.
http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=236611

[YARDofSTUF]

LOL doesn't matter to me what reviews anyone points at me..or what someone says.. I'm telling him from a first hand view that I've deployed it over a wide range of laptops and desktops and at this point no issues and lots of performance gain.

Yes but you are only one person, and lots of people have had first had views at Vista SP1 installs.

[Sava700]

Yes but you are only one person, and lots of people have had first had views at Vista SP1 installs.

lol several others that I talk to at other college IT depts that I have as contacts feel the same way... Sp1 is a good thing and shouldn't be avoided.

On the other hand most of them agree also that Vista is nothing but a resource hog and at this point many are not supporting it even after deployment of sp1.

[YARDofSTUF]

lol several others that I talk to at other college IT depts that I have as contacts feel the same way... Sp1 is a good thing and shouldn't be avoided.

On the other hand most of them agree also that Vista is nothing but a resource hog and at this point many are not supporting it even after deployment of sp1.

Well if I have vista and its working fine, I might still upgrade, but I could understand someone choosing not to, now it I had issues with vista, then ya I'd jump on it.

As for the 2nd line, thats normal, and expected, same thing happened when XP came out, most large/medium company IT depts didnt want it right away either. It needs a lengthy thurough test with all their apps first.

[Qui-Gon John]

Yeah its been a month and Qui gon has seen stuff he doesn't like with it. A change in how UAC works isn't a reason to get an SP when you can just change UAC yourself.

Stonecat already answered you on the performance stuff.

Just to clarify, I've read stuff that makes me leery of SP1, even here at Speedguide, (there was an article on the home page). My Vista machine runs pretty good, with the cleanups I did and the protection I have in place. I'm sure someday I'll try to load the SP, or the next one. But in either case, prudence dictates a Full Acronis Image Backup first, the only way to be completely safe. Just in case I see flaky stuff after. It's a quick Full Restore and it'd be as if I never tried the SP.

[YeOldeStonecat]

Heh... ;)

For those who are running Vista on networks...there is a bug which causes a hiccup in the SMB signing settings...causing issues with network browsing, and ability to access/run .EXEs across a network. Doesn't happen in all installs. An update will be released. Until then....some people are reporting success with uninstalling and reinstalling the service pack. Also MS Networking support will help you for free for a while.

[Sava700]

interesting info

In the last few days, we have uncovered a compatibility issue between Microsoft Dynamics Retail Management System (RMS) and SP3 both Windows XP and Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1). In order to make sure customers have the best possible experience, we have decided to delay releasing Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) to the web.

To help protect customers, we plan to put filtering in place shortly to prevent Windows Update from offering both service packs to systems running Microsoft Dynamics RMS. Once filtering is in place, we expect to release Windows XP SP3 to the web. To help protect customers, we plan to put filtering in place shortly to prevent Windows Update from offering both service packs to systems running Microsoft Dynamics RMS. Once filtering is in place, we expect to release Windows XP SP3 to the web.

We are also testing a fix, and will make it available once that process is complete. Once they have installed the fix, Microsoft Dynamics RMS customers should be able to run both service packs. We are also testing a fix, and will make it available once that process is complete. Once they have installed the fix, Microsoft Dynamics RMS customers should be able to run both service packs.

Until then, we advise Microsoft Dynamics RMS customers to not install either service pack. Microsoft Dynamics RMS customers running Windows XP SP3 or Windows Vista SP1 should contact Microsoft Customer Support Services for additional information. Until then, we advise Microsoft Dynamics RMS customers to either not install service pack. Microsoft Dynamics RMS customers running Windows XP SP3 or Windows Vista SP1 should contact Microsoft Customer Support Services for additional information.

[CableDude]

To help protect customers, we plan to put filtering in place shortly to prevent Windows Update from offering both service packs to systems running Microsoft Dynamics RMS. Once filtering is in place, we expect to release Windows XP SP3 to the web. To help protect customers, we plan to put filtering in place shortly to prevent Windows Update from offering both service packs to systems running Microsoft Dynamics RMS. Once filtering is in place, we expect to release Windows XP SP3 to the web.


Some one missed the proofing on this.

[Shinobi]

Also MS Networking support will help you for free for a while.

Is that the same "i can't understand what your saying happy outsourced help desk M$ person" support? :D

[YeOldeStonecat]

Is that the same "i can't understand what your saying happy outsourced help desk M$ person" support? :D

Depends....I've been getting the UK more lately.

[d2fanatic007]

Some one missed the proofing on this.

Not on just that paragraph but on the other 2 as well

[Qui-Gon John]

Another good reason to jump on VISTA SP1. Not!

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6231449.html?tag=nl.e550

[Sava700]

Another good reason to jump on VISTA SP1. Not!

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6231449.html?tag=nl.e550

Those issues have been known for a while...note the Feb date on that article.

But its the fault of the software makers here not MS with SP1. Perfect example was when Vista first came out and Creative,nvidia and a few others were caught with their pants down when they said all along they were "Vista Ready".

Nvidia quickly caught up with dedication to the consumer while Creative still hasn't made good problem free drivers for the OS.

If you update to SP1 after a fresh install of Vista you will prob never notice anything as when you do the install with any of those programs afterward it will most likely either show no difference or not load thus pointing back to the software and not the OS.


Hell, I even posted a direct thread about this a few months ago..
http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=237692&highlight=vista

[Noevo]

meh, if you buy the right parts and research a little it's a non issue in my opinion :)