Is there a way to edit/alter a file but leave the 'time' stamp unchanged?

[james.jobs@yahoo.com]

Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).

I want to know how to do this on a PC


I am also curious to know if this is possible on a mac (i have a
copied this to a mac group)


thanks

James

[nemo_outis]

james.jobs@yahoo.com wrote in news:1192223293.113013.316940
@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>
> I want to know how to do this on a PC


Yes, it is not only possible but easy. There are any number of programs
that will let you change a file or folder's attributes, of which the
date/time is one (or, on NTFS, three: Created, Modified, Last Accessed).
Some of these are free but my personal favorite isn't: Attribute Magic
Pro (there is also a scaled down free version).

Even the free one can change FAT/NTFS timestamps, etc. but the Pro
version can also change *internal* timestamps in Word, Excel, etc.

If you are working with MS Office files there are a number of programs
which manipulate/erase the metadata it stores *internally* which can be a
real embarrassment in some circumstances (just ask Tony Blair!). As a
minimum get the free "Remove Hidden Data" tool from Microsoft itself, but
I recommend getting the non-free "Document Trace Remover" as well.

Regards,

PS Incidentally, one tool I love is Directory Opus which besides being
the premier replacement for Explorer also lets you change file date/time
attributes. One feature I especially LOVE about it is that if you copy
an NTFS folder between drives it will automatically put the old
directory's timestamp on the new one (and it lets you diddle with
created, modified, last accessed, too). This is extremely convenient
when moving whole directory trees (perhaps your music collection?) while
preserving timestamps for sorting, etc..

[Steve Hodgson]

On 2007-10-12 22:08:13 +0100, james.jobs@yahoo.com said:

> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>
> I want to know how to do this on a PC

<http://www.jddesign.f2s.com/touchpro.htm>

Used it for a few years now and it is excellent.

> I am also curious to know if this is possible on a mac (i have a
> copied this to a mac group)

As far as I know nothing like TouchPro but it is worth looking at the
Terminal touch command.
--
Cheers,

Steve

The reply-to email address is a spam trap.
Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk

[Unruh]

james.jobs@yahoo.com writes:

>Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
>spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
>day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).

>I want to know how to do this on a PC

This is operating system dependent, not cpu chip dependent. The answer is
yes. Under linux do
man touch



>I am also curious to know if this is possible on a mac (i have a
>copied this to a mac group)


>thanks

>James

[Dr Geoff Hone]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:08:13 -0700, james.jobs@yahoo.com wrote:

>Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
>spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
>day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>
>I want to know how to do this on a PC
What about just changing the date setting on the machine, modifying
the file, and then changing the date back.
OR
On any machine with good old fashioned (MS)DOS there should be an
"attrib" command - the syntax can vary.
Geoff

[Jolly Roger]

On 2007-10-13 08:15:01 -0500, Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone@globalnet.co.uk> said:

> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:08:13 -0700, james.jobs@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
>> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
>> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>>
>> I want to know how to do this on a PC
> What about just changing the date setting on the machine, modifying
> the file, and then changing the date back.
> OR
> On any machine with good old fashioned (MS)DOS there should be an
> "attrib" command - the syntax can vary.

You hacker, you. ; )

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[Sebastian G.]

Dr Geoff Hone wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:08:13 -0700, james.jobs@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
>> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
>> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>>
>> I want to know how to do this on a PC
> What about just changing the date setting on the machine, modifying
> the file, and then changing the date back.


Changing the system time typically requires administrative privileges that
he might not own. Yes, even on Unix-like systems the filestamps are derived
from system time and not the per-user time.

> On any machine with good old fashioned (MS)DOS there should be an
> "attrib" command - the syntax can vary.

The "attrib" command changes file attributes, not file timestamps. What
about using "touch" from GnuWin32 or UnxUtils instead? Heck, even in the
Windows Resource Kit you'll find a tool "vfi.exe" which provides the "touch"
functionality.

[Simon Slavin]

On 12/10/2007, james.jobs@yahoo.com wrote in message
<1192223293.113013.316940@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:

> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000). [snip]
>
> I am also curious to know if this is possible on a mac (i have a
> copied this to a mac group)

Mac reply: Change the file, let the OS stamp the file, then restamp it
yourself to whatever timestamp your want using the 'touch' command. 'man
touch' for more information.

Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk

[Steve Firth]

<james.jobs@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).

You can, but then people like me get paid to find out that you have done
it and to prepare notes for the prosecution. So I'd think very carefully
about *why* you would want to do this.

[Rowland McDonnell]

Simon Slavin <slavins.delete.these.four.words@hearsay.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> james.jobs@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
> > spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
> > day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000). [snip]
> >
> > I am also curious to know if this is possible on a mac (i have a
> > copied this to a mac group)
>
> Mac reply: Change the file, let the OS stamp the file, then restamp it
> yourself to whatever timestamp your want using the 'touch' command. 'man
> touch' for more information.

There are any number of file utilities that'll do the job the GUI way,
too.

But if I were you, I'd think about what Steve Firth had to say. For
once, he's made a post that is worth paying very careful attention to.

The OP is clearly wanting to perpetrate some sort of fraud - the way the
question was asked shows that, I reckon. But just 'cos you can change
the time stamp doesn't mean you won't be caught out.

Best to be honest unless you're very clever and devious; or enjoy bad
food seasoned with the bodily fluids of prison wardens.

Rowland.

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real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland McDonnell) wrote in
news:1i6195v.1fxws8du1b7v5N%real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet:

> The OP is clearly wanting to perpetrate some sort of fraud - the way
> the question was asked shows that, I reckon. But just 'cos you can
> change the time stamp doesn't mean you won't be caught out.

Uhh, do you usually jump to conclusions on the basis of wild speculation
and no evidence? The OP said NOTHING about *why* he wanted to change the
timestamp, only that he wanted to know *how* to do it.

Regards,

[Rowland McDonnell]

nemo_outis <abc@xyz.com> wrote:

> real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland McDonnell) wrote:
>
> > The OP is clearly wanting to perpetrate some sort of fraud - the way
> > the question was asked shows that, I reckon. But just 'cos you can
> > change the time stamp doesn't mean you won't be caught out.
>
> Uhh, do you usually jump to conclusions on the basis of wild speculation
> and no evidence? The OP said NOTHING about *why* he wanted to change the
> timestamp, only that he wanted to know *how* to do it.

If you'd read my post, you would understand that the manner in which the
question was asked indicated what I remarked upon.

That is, to my perception, there is indeed some evidence and no
speculation (wild or otherwise) is involved. I'm surprised that you
failed to understand this point from my post.

Rowland.

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On Oct 15, 5:04 pm, real-address-in-...@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland
McDonnell) wrote:
> nemo_outis <a...@xyz.com> wrote:
> > real-address-in-...@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland McDonnell) wrote:
>
> > > The OP is clearly wanting to perpetrate some sort of fraud - the way
> > > the question was asked shows that, I reckon. But just 'cos you can
> > > change the time stamp doesn't mean you won't be caught out.
>
> > Uhh, do you usually jump to conclusions on the basis of wild speculation
> > and no evidence? The OP said NOTHING about *why* he wanted to change the
> > timestamp, only that he wanted to know *how* to do it.
>
> If you'd read my post, you would understand that the manner in which the
> question was asked indicated what I remarked upon.
>
> That is, to my perception, there is indeed some evidence and no
> speculation (wild or otherwise) is involved. I'm surprised that you
> failed to understand this point from my post.
>
>

Er, what's that line about not feeding the trolls... ;o)

Sarah

[nemo_outis]

real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland McDonnell) wrote in
news:1i61baw.1ns1w8i1wkj1amN%real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet:

>> > The OP is clearly wanting to perpetrate some sort of fraud - the
>> > way the question was asked shows that, I reckon. But just 'cos you
>> > can change the time stamp doesn't mean you won't be caught out.
>>
>> Uhh, do you usually jump to conclusions on the basis of wild
>> speculation and no evidence? The OP said NOTHING about *why* he
>> wanted to change the timestamp, only that he wanted to know *how* to
>> do it.
>
> If you'd read my post, you would understand that the manner in which
> the question was asked indicated what I remarked upon.


Oh dear, another fellow prepared the defend the indefensible.

No, the OP said absolutely NOTHING about why he might want to change the
date on a file, whether for good or ill. It was only your fertile
imagination that supplied the surmise that it was to defraud someone.

And then you went on to put towers and minarets on your castle in the air
blithering on about him being found out, and even going to jail!

And all this based on nothing more than his question about the mechanics
of going about changing a timestamp.

Hell, given your propensity for wild speculation, anyone who owns a copy
of "touch" should be arrested forthwith!

Regards,

[Rowland McDonnell]

nemo_outis <abc@xyz.com> wrote:

[snip lunacy]

I must say that's quite an impressive pile of wild invention you've
managed to create. I can't come up with any rational processes that
could lead from my remarks to your bogus and absurd interpretation of
about what I was on about - quite amazing.

Is this how you get your entertainment, inventing this madness?

Or is it the case that your ability to comprehend plain English really
is that poor?

Rowland.
(genuinely curious)

P.S. The poster who wants to change the time stamp is up to no good, as
anyone with any understanding of human nature can tell from reading the
original post - why do you think Firth made his remarks about going to
court?

Obviously, you do not have any understanding of human nature. I don't
suppose you'll ever learn, but what that chap's up to in broad terms is
crystal clear to those of us who do understand people.

If you change a time stamp to indicate that a file has been changed at a
time when it's not been changed, and then present that to someone as
evidence of when it was changed, that's misrepresentation and if you're
doing for particular reasons (speak to a lawyer), it's fraud. You don't
have to be ripping off de Beers for it to be fraud.

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In article
<1i6195v.1fxws8du1b7v5N%real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet>, Rowland
McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:

> The OP is clearly wanting to perpetrate some sort of fraud - the way the
> question was asked shows that, I reckon. But just 'cos you can change
> the time stamp doesn't mean you won't be caught out.

that's absurd. there is absolutely no evidence one way or the other
about the original poster's motives. assuming he is up to no good is
nothing but speculation, and in fact, can even be considered libel.

there are plenty of reasons why one might want to change the time stamp
that are totally legitimate.

> Best to be honest unless you're very clever and devious; or enjoy bad
> food seasoned with the bodily fluids of prison wardens.

it is best to not assume everyone is a criminal.

[Rowland McDonnell]

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

[snip][

> there are plenty of reasons why one might want to change the time stamp
> that are totally legitimate.

Indeed - but you won't ask the way the OP asked if you are legit, as
anyone who knows about human nature could tell you.

> > Best to be honest unless you're very clever and devious; or enjoy bad
> > food seasoned with the bodily fluids of prison wardens.
>
> it is best to not assume everyone is a criminal.

You have no evidence to suggest that anyone in this thread assumes
everyone in a criminal, so I'm puzzled as to why you would make such a
comment.

I knocked over a parked motorcycle by accident the other day - that made
me a criminal. I've got the crime recorded against me even though it
was purely accidental, I contacted the owner and told him what I'd done,
and have repaired the bike at my expense.

Almost everyone in the UK /is/ a criminal - it's very hard to avoid
being a criminal these days, what with all the malicious and unjust laws
that Bliar's New Labour and the almost but not quite equally vile Tories
before them gave us.

Rowland.


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[nemo_outis]

(Rowland McDonnell) wrote:

> I must say that's quite an impressive pile of wild invention you've
> managed to create.

It is not I who has gone beyond what the OP said in his one and only post
in this thread. He said, verbatim and its entirety:
____

Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).

I want to know how to do this on a PC

I am also curious to know if this is possible on a mac (i have a
copied this to a mac group)

thanks

James
____

No mention whatsoever why he might want to do this. No mention of any
other person. No mention of fraud or any other purpose, good or bad.
Nope, just a simple question about the mechanics of changing the
datestamp.

From there it is you who has gone on to surmise, to speculate, to
conjecture on his motives, to infer his intentions are mischievous, and
to hector him about fraud and jail. All this on no evidence whatsoever.
There's not a word from the OP on why he wants to know.

> Rowland.
> P.S. The poster who wants to change the time stamp is up to no good...

Ah, a Hobbesian convinced that all mankind is inherently base. And who
therefore attributes evil motives to the original poster despite the
total absence of one word by him, one way or the other, as to why he
might want to change the date on files.

Either that or you're just another garden variety moron, who reads what
isn't there.

Regards,

[Tim Jackson]

Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> Simon Slavin <slavins.delete.these.four.words@hearsay.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> james.jobs@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
>>> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
>>> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000). [snip]
>>>
>
> The OP is clearly wanting to perpetrate some sort of fraud - the way the
> question was asked shows that, I reckon. But just 'cos you can change
> the time stamp doesn't mean you won't be caught out.
>
> Best to be honest unless you're very clever and devious; or enjoy bad
> food seasoned with the bodily fluids of prison wardens.
>
> Rowland.
>
Honest is as honest does. Sometimes the operating system's default
action is effectively dishonest.

Example 1: I ran a disk recovery utility after my root directory got
trashed by a hardware fault. I got all my files back, but the 'honest'
utility set them all to the same date, the date of recovery. That really
screwed up my photo library and my software change control records.
Fortunately all the important stuff was also backed up by a 'dishonest'
utility - PKZIP - that restores the directory entries too.

Example 2: I designed a system that takes physical measurements for
standards certification. The operator runs the measurement which takes
a long time, and may fill in the rest of the certificate details (client
name, client sample identification, etc), before, during or afterwards.
However it is important that the time on the certificate file reflects
the time of test completion so that it can be matched up against the
instrument's own log for legal traceability. So the certificate print
program has to set the 'wrong' time on the certificate file.

Example 3: I had all my historical account files stored in MS Excel
format. I decided I to change my system to OpenDocument format, and in
order to be able to do annual returns, aged balances etc, had to convert
some of the old files to the new format. Needless to say, changing the
date on the files was the last thing I wanted. Sure the files have the
right date *inside* but I can spend a long time opening a directory full
of monthly files all called "sales" and all with the same date, to find
the one for August 2005.

So the OP can have perfectly reasonable and honest cause to want to
override the modification date. Perhaps he even just wants to know how
well he can trust this information, to decide whether this sort of fraud
has been perpetrated on him.


Tim Jackson

[Rick Merrill]

Steve Firth wrote:
> <james.jobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
>> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
>> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>
> You can, but then people like me get paid to find out that you have done
> it and to prepare notes for the prosecution. So I'd think very carefully
> about *why* you would want to do this.
>

The reason *I* would want to do it is to put the date of a picture
taking on a JPG file, instead of the date I 'cropped' the file. Is there
a way to do that?

[Warren Oates]

In article <1i5zymk.7t6ex411rv5njN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

> You can, but then people like me get paid to find out that you have done
> it and to prepare notes for the prosecution. So I'd think very carefully
> about *why* you would want to do this.

Gawdamighty, you brits _have_ had your arseholes seriously reamed
haven't you? Sad little inconsequential island off the coast of Europe,
with its own monopoly play money and all.
--
W. Oates

[Steve Firth]

Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1i5zymk.7t6ex411rv5njN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
> > You can, but then people like me get paid to find out that you have done
> > it and to prepare notes for the prosecution. So I'd think very carefully
> > about *why* you would want to do this.
>
> Gawdamighty, you brits _have_ had your arseholes seriously reamed
> haven't you? Sad little inconsequential island off the coast of Europe,
> with its own monopoly play money and all.

0/10 failed to mention that you saved our regretful donkeys in WWII.

[Steve Firth]

Rick Merrill <rick0.merrill@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve Firth wrote:
> > <james.jobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
> >> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
> >> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
> >
> > You can, but then people like me get paid to find out that you have done
> > it and to prepare notes for the prosecution. So I'd think very carefully
> > about *why* you would want to do this.
> >
>
> The reason *I* would want to do it is to put the date of a picture
> taking on a JPG file, instead of the date I 'cropped' the file. Is there
> a way to do that?

On the Mac, "man touch" is all you need, on the PC see:

http://www.codeproject.com/tools/touch_win.asp

Although I've no idea why you would want to rely on filestamps rather
than EXIF data.

[Warren Oates]

In article <1i63j2k.mbr7ra103j0j9N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

> 0/10 failed to mention that you saved our regretful donkeys in WWII.

True, I forgot about the "greatest generation" and the bloody beaches of
Normandy and "the Few" and all that ("nonsense my lad, there's far too
many already"). Twice though, saved your sorry arses, don't forget the
Great War.
--
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[Steve Firth]

Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1i63j2k.mbr7ra103j0j9N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
> > 0/10 failed to mention that you saved our regretful donkeys in WWII.
>
> True, I forgot about the "greatest generation" and the bloody beaches of
> Normandy and "the Few" and all that ("nonsense my lad, there's far too
> many already"). Twice though, saved your sorry arses, don't forget the
> Great War.

Oh indeed, the one where the USA sent over a comedy act to entertain the
troops by running into a creeping barrage. BTW, should we save up and
buy you lot a clock so that you can turn up on time for something?

[Arthur T.]

In Message-ID:<1i63pom.whl9u53ea74rN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

>BTW, should we save up and
>buy you lot a clock so that you can turn up on time for something?

No need. The point of this thread has to do with changing
the timestamp of something afterwards. That's a topic that some
of us are interested in, and that is relevant to this newsgroup.
Remember where you are?

If you and Mr. Oates can't bring computer timestamps (or at
least computers) into your potshots at each other, perhaps you can
take it offline and leave the rest of us in peace. I'd really
like not to killfile you, since you did add some useful content to
this thread.

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[Sebastian G.]

Rick Merrill wrote:


> The reason *I* would want to do it is to put the date of a picture
> taking on a JPG file, instead of the date I 'cropped' the file. Is there
> a way to do that?

Hm...? The date of a JPG file should never reflect the time you made that
picture, but rather when you copied it to the current storage media. The
date of the picture itself should be stored as metadata inside the file,
f.e. as IPCT, EXIF or XMP microformat.

[nospam]

In article <5nl1qiFiqte4U2@mid.dfncis.de>, Sebastian G.
<seppi@seppig.de> wrote:

> Rick Merrill wrote:
>
> > The reason *I* would want to do it is to put the date of a picture
> > taking on a JPG file, instead of the date I 'cropped' the file. Is there
> > a way to do that?
>
> Hm...? The date of a JPG file should never reflect the time you made that
> picture, but rather when you copied it to the current storage media.

copying a file does not change the time stamp of a file. if it does,
that's a huge bug.

> The
> date of the picture itself should be stored as metadata inside the file,
> f.e. as IPCT, EXIF or XMP microformat.

it is stored as metadata. however, it is also handy to have the date
of the file match so that sorting in a file browser is consistent.

[Jim]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:32:19 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

><james.jobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
>> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
>> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>
>You can, but then people like me get paid to find out that you have done
>it

PMSL! You couldn't find your arsehole with the aid of a map, you useless
****.

[Chris]

nospam wrote:
> In article <5nl1qiFiqte4U2@mid.dfncis.de>, Sebastian G.
> <seppi@seppig.de> wrote:
>
>> Rick Merrill wrote:
>>
>>> The reason *I* would want to do it is to put the date of a picture
>>> taking on a JPG file, instead of the date I 'cropped' the file. Is there
>>> a way to do that?
>> Hm...? The date of a JPG file should never reflect the time you made that
>> picture, but rather when you copied it to the current storage media.
>
> copying a file does not change the time stamp of a file. if it does,
> that's a huge bug.

Just to clarify. The time stamp of the original file won't change, but
the copy will have a new time stamp reflecting when it was created.

[nospam]

In article <ff4l11$ft7$1@dux.dundee.ac.uk>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> nospam wrote:
> > In article <5nl1qiFiqte4U2@mid.dfncis.de>, Sebastian G.
> > <seppi@seppig.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Hm...? The date of a JPG file should never reflect the time you made that
> >> picture, but rather when you copied it to the current storage media.
> >
> > copying a file does not change the time stamp of a file. if it does,
> > that's a huge bug.
>
> Just to clarify. The time stamp of the original file won't change, but
> the copy will have a new time stamp reflecting when it was created.

then it is not an exact copy, and therefore a bug.

[OldSage]

In article <ff4l11$ft7$1@dux.dundee.ac.uk>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> nospam wrote:
> > In article <5nl1qiFiqte4U2@mid.dfncis.de>, Sebastian G.
> > <seppi@seppig.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Rick Merrill wrote:
> >>
> >>> The reason *I* would want to do it is to put the date of a picture
> >>> taking on a JPG file, instead of the date I 'cropped' the file. Is there
> >>> a way to do that?
> >> Hm...? The date of a JPG file should never reflect the time you made that
> >> picture, but rather when you copied it to the current storage media.
> >
> > copying a file does not change the time stamp of a file. if it does,
> > that's a huge bug.
>
> Just to clarify. The time stamp of the original file won't change, but
> the copy will have a new time stamp reflecting when it was created.


Or just turn on the "skulduggery" switch (Prefs: date and time)

[Rowland McDonnell]

nemo_outis <abc@xyz.com> wrote:

> (Rowland McDonnell) wrote:
>
> > I must say that's quite an impressive pile of wild invention you've
> > managed to create.
>
> It is not I who has gone beyond what the OP said in his one and only post
> in this thread. He said, verbatim and its entirety:
> ____
>
> Is there anyway to alter a file (i.e. powerpoint/word doc/excel
> spreadsheet) but make it appear that the file was altered on any given
> day (e.g. 1 Jan 2000).
>
> I want to know how to do this on a PC
>
> I am also curious to know if this is possible on a mac (i have a
> copied this to a mac group)
>
> thanks
>
> James
> ____
>
> No mention whatsoever why he might want to do this. No mention of any
> other person. No mention of fraud or any other purpose, good or bad.
> Nope, just a simple question about the mechanics of changing the
> datestamp.

Yup. And by applying my powers of intelligence and deduction, coupled
with my many years experience of people and the things they do, I am in
a position to draw the conclusions I have stated.

> From there it is you who has gone on to surmise, to speculate, to
> conjecture on his motives, to infer his intentions are mischievous, and
> to hector him about fraud and jail.

Erm, nope, none of that.

I read, smelt what the bugger was up to, and said nothing at all until
someone else had made remarks which indicated that he's smelt what I'd
smelt. And then I made mild comment, which made you decide to leap in
to cause an argument because you're a nasty little troll.

You're all worthless scum - worthless, that is, until you've been
composted down and used to grow something worthwhile like cattle feed.

> All this on no evidence whatsoever.
> There's not a word from the OP on why he wants to know.

Obviously you are so stupid you do not understand anything about people
or you would not be making such ridiculous and irrelevant points. Any
fule kno I speaketh the truth about the OP, for reasons which are far
too obvious to mention here. Any any fule kno I did not say what you
claim - after all, you're a troll, so almost all your claims are lies.

Of course, being a good troll, you will pay no attention to any of this,
but I thought I might as well point out the utter logical and moral
worthlessness of your position.

> > Rowland.
> > P.S. The poster who wants to change the time stamp is up to no good...
>
> Ah, a Hobbesian convinced that all mankind is inherently base.

Ah, another troll making lunatic and baseless assertions. Utter
nonsense, these claims of yours, and nothing but your own malicious
invention.

We all know you trolls are liars and fantasists.

I'm typing this purely for my own entertainment, btw.

[snip]

> Either that or you're just another garden variety moron, who reads what
> isn't there.

That does indeed appear to be how you operate.

Rowland.

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[nemo_outis]

Only a fool like you would try to elevate persistence in error, wild
speculation, and unjustified and rash conclusions, into logical principles.

You are a fool, and since you are clearly irrevocably and incorrigibly
committed to remaining one, it is pointless to do anything other than
occasionally draw others' attention to your stupidity lest they be misled.

Swat!

[Someone Else]

In
Message-ID:<1i685h3.14l9p5kwnb92uN%real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet>,
real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland McDonnell) wrote:

>I'm typing this purely for my own entertainment, btw.

That's true either now, or pretty soon.

Plonk.