2Wire HomePNA 2.0

[BillW50]

Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like the
idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps, which
isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one computer to
another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway and flash or
external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire HomePNA devices
rock solid?

Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like the
idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the idea.
And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so popular.
Anybody else sense this too?

--
Bill

[David Lesher]

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:

>Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like the
>idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps, which
>isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one computer to
>another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway and flash or
>external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire HomePNA devices
>rock solid?

HomePNA is also falling to HomePlug; the RF over powerwire scheme.

The installations I know of with HomePNA are solid....

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[BillW50]

David Lesher wrote:
> HomePNA is also falling to HomePlug; the RF over powerwire scheme.
>
> The installations I know of with HomePNA are solid....

Thanks David... I had an Intel like HomePNA 1.0 system (not compatible
with HomePNA though). And that system was flaky. Like if nothing was
happening it would time out or something and the connection was lost.
Although it would automatically log back on a little while later. Worse
Intel never updated the drivers for it. So that system wasn't too hot.
Seemed to work well if you had activity going on though.

Wow HomePlug! I never heard of that one before. And I found a review
from 2002 which might help others wanting to know more about it. Thanks
again David.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,85003-page,1/article.html

--
Bill

[DLR]

Bill50 wrote:
> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like the
> idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps, which
> isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one computer to
> another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway and flash or
> external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire HomePNA devices
> rock solid?
>
Wireless has very low power. You can avoid most of the EMF by not
sleeping with your router under your pillow.

And just a note, all devices which distribute network signals via house
wiring will basically bath your entire house in a cloud of EMF. But if
you stay 1' to 2' feet from the walls at all times you'll be safe. :)

Have you gotten rid of your cordless phones, baby monitors, etc...?

[burris]

BillW50 wrote:
> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like the
> idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps, which
> isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one computer to
> another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway and flash or
> external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire HomePNA devices
> rock solid?
>
> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like the
> idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the idea.
> And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so popular.
> Anybody else sense this too?
>

I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed once..The
early USB versions were pretty sad.

I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so the
others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.

I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and PC-PC is
excellent.

Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and having
no access to run cables to another area, I have been pleased with PNA. I
tried wireless, but it was too flaky.

I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.

[BillW50]

DLR wrote:
> Bill50 wrote:
>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like
>> the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps,
>> which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one
>> computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway
>> and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire
>> HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>
> Wireless has very low power. You can avoid most of the EMF by not
> sleeping with your router under your pillow.
>
> And just a note, all devices which distribute network signals via
> house wiring will basically bath your entire house in a cloud of EMF.
> But if you stay 1' to 2' feet from the walls at all times you'll be
> safe. :)
> Have you gotten rid of your cordless phones, baby monitors, etc...?

Oh no, I'm not thinking of harmful radio waves... I'm thinking of
security. A few years ago there was a hackers convention in Las Vegas.
And they had a contest who could hack into a system the farthest away.
And one hacker group managed to hack in 51 miles away (they made their
own directional antenna of course). While we not so hot people have
trouble getting a signal just 600 feet away. :(

--
Bill

[Jim]

burris wrote on 9/29/2006 7:12 AM:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like
>> the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps,
>> which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one
>> computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway
>> and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire
>> HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>
>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like
>> the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the
>> idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so
>> popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>
>
> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed once..The
> early USB versions were pretty sad.
>
> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so the
> others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>
> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and PC-PC is
> excellent.
>
> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and having
> no access to run cables to another area, I have been pleased with PNA. I
> tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>
> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>
HomePlug has a few advantages:

- Coverage since you can use every outlet anywhere in the home
- Performance. If you can see other wifi access points, they are eating
your bandwidth regardless of your signal strength
- Best for gaming

HomePlug if FCC and ARRL compliant so it isnt screaming EMF every where.

Jim

[DLR]

BillW50 wrote:
> DLR wrote:
>> Bill50 wrote:
>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like
>>> the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps,
>>> which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one
>>> computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway
>>> and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire
>>> HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>
>> Wireless has very low power. You can avoid most of the EMF by not
>> sleeping with your router under your pillow.
>>
>> And just a note, all devices which distribute network signals via
>> house wiring will basically bath your entire house in a cloud of EMF.
>> But if you stay 1' to 2' feet from the walls at all times you'll be
>> safe. :)
>> Have you gotten rid of your cordless phones, baby monitors, etc...?
>
> Oh no, I'm not thinking of harmful radio waves... I'm thinking of
> security. A few years ago there was a hackers convention in Las Vegas.
> And they had a contest who could hack into a system the farthest away.
> And one hacker group managed to hack in 51 miles away (they made their
> own directional antenna of course). While we not so hot people have
> trouble getting a signal just 600 feet away. :(
>
If you're running windows and have a wireless network set to WPA-PSK or
better passwords, you're much more likely to have your computer infected
from the Internet or your mail stolen than have your wireless network
hacked. Unless you're a target with a special reason to be hacked it's
easier just to swipe your mail or trash.

[BillW50]

DLR wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> DLR wrote:
>>> Bill50 wrote:
>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I
>>>> like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only
>>>> 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files
>>>> from one computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too
>>>> slow anyway and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But
>>>> are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>
>>> Wireless has very low power. You can avoid most of the EMF by not
>>> sleeping with your router under your pillow.
>>>
>>> And just a note, all devices which distribute network signals via
>>> house wiring will basically bath your entire house in a cloud of
>>> EMF. But if you stay 1' to 2' feet from the walls at all times
>>> you'll be safe. :)
>>> Have you gotten rid of your cordless phones, baby monitors, etc...?
>>
>> Oh no, I'm not thinking of harmful radio waves... I'm thinking of
>> security. A few years ago there was a hackers convention in Las
>> Vegas. And they had a contest who could hack into a system the
>> farthest away. And one hacker group managed to hack in 51 miles away
>> (they made their own directional antenna of course). While we not so
>> hot people have trouble getting a signal just 600 feet away. :(
>>
> If you're running windows and have a wireless network set to WPA-PSK
> or better passwords, you're much more likely to have your computer
> infected from the Internet or your mail stolen than have your
> wireless network hacked. Unless you're a target with a special reason
> to be hacked it's easier just to swipe your mail or trash.

Yeah true and I live in the middle of nowhere. So it isn't a big worry
at all. But still someone having access to the bank account is really
unnerving. And because of one computer, I have to drop from WPA to WEP.
And WEP can be cracked within 30 minutes or less. Using WPA would take
someone months to crack it. But if you change the password within that
time, they would be screwed. HomePNA is much better security-wise.

Speaking about breaking in from the Internet, I think that just happened
last night. It sure looks like one computer on my home network was
hacked in. Although this person is easily fooled into things. So I am
not surprised. But I have stopped all file sharing within the network
because of it. See:

Excessive Sessions Warning - "blaster type virus" [2Wire HomePortal
1000HG] thread.


--
Bill

[Peter]

Hi Bill,

> And WEP can be cracked within 30 minutes or less. Using WPA would take someone months to crack it.

You may wish to revise those figures, WEP can now be cracked in 1-2
seconds and I have SEEN a demo of WPA being cracked in 8 seconds,
however even the demonstrator said it usually took about 15- 20
seocnds to find the key.

The only current practical way to protect YOUR Data over Wireless is
to use a VPN. That wont stop your Wireless LAN being used by others to
transport THEIR Data, but at least it protects YOUR Data.

Cheers.............pk.


--
Peter from Auckland.

[kingpen]

A word of caution Bill. 2Wire does not support HPNA anymore. 2Wire
models 1701HG and later do not support HPNA. So if you need to replaced
your 2wire HPNA gateway, ensure the model is any model other than
1701HG and 2700HG. Models 1000SW, 1000HW, 1800HW and possibly the
1800HG all support HPNA - check eBay


King

BillW50 wrote:
> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like the
> idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps, which
> isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one computer to
> another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway and flash or
> external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire HomePNA devices
> rock solid?
>
> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like the
> idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the idea.
> And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so popular.
> Anybody else sense this too?
>
> --
> Bill

[BillW50]

kingpen wrote:
> A word of caution Bill. 2Wire does not support HPNA anymore. 2Wire
> models 1701HG and later do not support HPNA. So if you need to
> replaced your 2wire HPNA gateway, ensure the model is any model other
> than 1701HG and 2700HG. Models 1000SW, 1000HW, 1800HW and possibly
> the 1800HG all support HPNA - check eBay
>
>
> King

Thanks King... Yes this is disappointing. According to 2Wire:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Exceptions: HomePNA is not available on the 1070, 1701 or 2700 HG-B,
direct USB is not available on the 1070 or 2700 HG-B and Wireless is not
available on the 1070

http://support.2wire.com/cgi-bin/twowire.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=64&p_created=1041883571&p_sid=_LjgZWii&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0xMTYmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N 2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also SW and HW support wireless 802.11b. But I don't know what is the
difference between them (SW comes with an Ethernet card perhaps?). While
the HG models supports 802.11g.

And yes it is a buyers market right now on 2Wire products on eBay. Most
models can be purchased for under $25. Which is a far cry from mine
purchased from SBC for about $150. Well they had a $100 rebate so it was
really $50, but still.

I moved to a place which has a ma & pop phone company which was never
bought out by the old ma bell. And so far only 2Wire DSL modems work
rock solid out here. And the local phone company's modems can't stay
connected all of the time and they eventually burn out in a month or
two.


--
Bill

[BillW50]

Peter wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
>> And WEP can be cracked within 30 minutes or less. Using WPA would
>> take someone months to crack it.
>
> You may wish to revise those figures, WEP can now be cracked in 1-2
> seconds and I have SEEN a demo of WPA being cracked in 8 seconds,
> however even the demonstrator said it usually took about 15- 20
> seocnds to find the key.
>
> The only current practical way to protect YOUR Data over Wireless is
> to use a VPN. That wont stop your Wireless LAN being used by others to
> transport THEIR Data, but at least it protects YOUR Data.
>
> Cheers.............pk.

Wow okay. I thought WPA with random letters and numbers as a passphrase
would take a hacker months to decode. I know using a dictionary word
takes far less time to crack.

And yes about VPN and I have read about it but I am still confused about
it. I have to buy VPN software for each computer, right? And I can't use
it if my ISP doesn't support it, right?

--
Bill

[Jim]

BillW50 wrote on 9/30/2006 10:53 AM:
> kingpen wrote:
>> A word of caution Bill. 2Wire does not support HPNA anymore. 2Wire
>> models 1701HG and later do not support HPNA. So if you need to
>> replaced your 2wire HPNA gateway, ensure the model is any model other
>> than 1701HG and 2700HG. Models 1000SW, 1000HW, 1800HW and possibly
>> the 1800HG all support HPNA - check eBay
>>
>>
>> King
>
> Thanks King... Yes this is disappointing. According to 2Wire:
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Exceptions: HomePNA is not available on the 1070, 1701 or 2700 HG-B,
> direct USB is not available on the 1070 or 2700 HG-B and Wireless is not
> available on the 1070
>
> http://support.2wire.com/cgi-bin/twowire.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=64&p_created=1041883571&p_sid=_LjgZWii&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0xMTYmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N 2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Also SW and HW support wireless 802.11b. But I don't know what is the
> difference between them (SW comes with an Ethernet card perhaps?). While
> the HG models supports 802.11g.
>
> And yes it is a buyers market right now on 2Wire products on eBay. Most
> models can be purchased for under $25. Which is a far cry from mine
> purchased from SBC for about $150. Well they had a $100 rebate so it was
> really $50, but still.
>
> I moved to a place which has a ma & pop phone company which was never
> bought out by the old ma bell. And so far only 2Wire DSL modems work
> rock solid out here. And the local phone company's modems can't stay
> connected all of the time and they eventually burn out in a month or
> two.
>
>
Bellsouth is supporting and selling homeplug adapters. You may want to
look on ebay or on the net too. Here is a link for the adapters on
Bellsouths web site.

> http://help.bellsouth.net/bellsouth/asp/contentview.asp?UserType=DSL&source=2&sprt_cid=22e1dbb3-a3a7-4b30-a483-2a2761e9c66c

Jim

[scrappy bit]

Bill - I got hit by this message last night and can no longer open any web pages, or connect in any way....email too....I just keep getting this excessive sessions warning that says it may be a blaster type virus....I have researched for such a virus and find nothing....I am using someone elses computer right now....I call the tech support desk at the number suggested and they confirm that my modem is working properly and that it is probably a virus....
My question is I saw the reference to this in one of your postings - saying check out that thread, but I have been unable to find the thread ....I am new here....can you help me out?????

[DLR]

Peter wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
>> And WEP can be cracked within 30 minutes or less. Using WPA would take someone months to crack it.
>
> You may wish to revise those figures, WEP can now be cracked in 1-2
> seconds and I have SEEN a demo of WPA being cracked in 8 seconds,
> however even the demonstrator said it usually took about 15- 20
> seocnds to find the key.
>
> The only current practical way to protect YOUR Data over Wireless is
> to use a VPN. That wont stop your Wireless LAN being used by others to
> transport THEIR Data, but at least it protects YOUR Data.

And people can break into my house in less than a minute if they want to
ram the back door. Home Depot, Lowest, etc... will sell you a fence post
rammer for about $30 which is small, heavy, and has nice handles. It
will open any door without large dead bolts connected to a steel door in
a steel frame.

If someone wants into your network they'll get in. You're more at risk
from bot attacks than someone picking your home network out and trying
to break it. Or have you really teed off all your neighbors?

[Peter]

Hi Bill,

> And yes about VPN and I have read about it but I am still confused about
> it. I have to buy VPN software for each computer, right? And I can't use
> it if my ISP doesn't support it, right?

Yes you would need VPN S/W for each machine you wanted to protect
(plus the VPN end-point), however there are VPN products for most
platforms that are "Free/Low Cost". It all comes down to how
complicated you want to get...........;-)

You also only need to terminate the VPN at your Wireless to Wired
interface, so your ISP never comes into the game. As long as you have
a VPN end-point in your Wireless <> Wired Router (IE somewhere on the
Wired portion of your LAN), you would only need a VPN Client for each
machine.

Cheers...............pk.


--
Peter from Auckland.

[BillW50]

"burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
> BillW50 wrote:
>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like
>> the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps,
>> which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one
>> computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway
>> and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire
>> HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>
>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like
>> the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the
>> idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so
>> popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>
>
> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>
> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so the
> others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>
> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and PC-PC
> is excellent.
>
> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and having
> no access to run cables to another area, I have been pleased with
> PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>
> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.

Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I got
the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of them right
now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid as a rock. One
computer is directly connected by Ethernet.

DAY 1:
It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a time.
Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN. IPCONFIG couldn't
fix it. Install was very easy though. Install the driver and I was on
the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.

DAY 2:
Same crap, different day

DAY 3:
Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day

DAY 4:
Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
problem. I allowed it.

DAY 5:
Working solid as a rock! Go figure!

I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called channels I
think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this too for HomePNA.
Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I have no idea what is
going on. But it seems very stable now. No problems at all at the
moment. Thanks everyone! And you too burris! ;)

--
Bill

[Jim]

BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I like
>>> the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only 10Mbps,
>>> which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files from one
>>> computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too slow anyway
>>> and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But are these 2Wire
>>> HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>
>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like
>>> the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the
>>> idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so
>>> popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>
>>
>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>
>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so the
>> others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>>
>> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and PC-PC
>> is excellent.
>>
>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and having
>> no access to run cables to another area, I have been pleased with
>> PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>
>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>
> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I got
> the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of them right
> now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid as a rock. One
> computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>
> DAY 1:
> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a time.
> Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN. IPCONFIG couldn't
> fix it. Install was very easy though. Install the driver and I was on
> the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>
> DAY 2:
> Same crap, different day
>
> DAY 3:
> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>
> DAY 4:
> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
> problem. I allowed it.
>
> DAY 5:
> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>
> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called channels I
> think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this too for HomePNA.
> Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I have no idea what is
> going on. But it seems very stable now. No problems at all at the
> moment. Thanks everyone! And you too burris! ;)
>
I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use phone
lines when power outlets are all over the home?

Jim

[BillW50]

"Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
news:7m5Zg.47555$8s6.47364@bignews4.bellsouth.net
> BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
>> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I
>>>> like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only
>>>> 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files
>>>> from one computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too
>>>> slow anyway and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But
>>>> are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>
>>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like
>>>> the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the
>>>> idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so
>>>> popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>>
>>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so
>>> the others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>>>
>>> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and
>>> PC-PC is excellent.
>>>
>>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and
>>> having no access to run cables to another area, I have been pleased
>>> with PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>>
>>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>>
>> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I got
>> the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of them right
>> now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid as a rock. One
>> computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>>
>> DAY 1:
>> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a
>> time. Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN. IPCONFIG
>> couldn't fix it. Install was very easy though. Install the driver
>> and I was on the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>>
>> DAY 2:
>> Same crap, different day
>>
>> DAY 3:
>> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>>
>> DAY 4:
>> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
>> problem. I allowed it.
>>
>> DAY 5:
>> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>>
>> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called channels I
>> think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this too for
>> HomePNA. Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I have no idea
>> what is going on. But it seems very stable now. No problems at all
>> at the moment. Thanks everyone! And you too burris! ;)
>>
> I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use phone
> lines when power outlets are all over the home?

Well Jim, because I am very pleased with 2Wire DSL/Wireless Routers
(other brands won't work here) and they only support HomePNA for now.
And it was only a few bucks to add HomePNA capabilities to a few
computers, so it was worth a shot to experiment with. Although you can
be sure I'll be playing with HomePlug next. ;)

This HomePNA started acting up a bit again. It does it like twice a day
again. It will log back on automatically though and it screws up the
webcam when it does it. I mean I have to restart it. Some other things
have to be restarted too. :(

--
Bill

[Jim]

BillW50 wrote on 10/17/2006 11:23 AM:
> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
> news:7m5Zg.47555$8s6.47364@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>> BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
>>> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I
>>>>> like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only
>>>>> 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files
>>>>> from one computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too
>>>>> slow anyway and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But
>>>>> are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I like
>>>>> the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be sold on the
>>>>> idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because wireless is so
>>>>> popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>>>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>>>
>>>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so
>>>> the others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>>>>
>>>> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and
>>>> PC-PC is excellent.
>>>>
>>>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and
>>>> having no access to run cables to another area, I have been pleased
>>>> with PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>>>
>>>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>>>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>>>
>>> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I got
>>> the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of them right
>>> now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid as a rock. One
>>> computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>>>
>>> DAY 1:
>>> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a
>>> time. Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN. IPCONFIG
>>> couldn't fix it. Install was very easy though. Install the driver
>>> and I was on the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>>>
>>> DAY 2:
>>> Same crap, different day
>>>
>>> DAY 3:
>>> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>>>
>>> DAY 4:
>>> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
>>> problem. I allowed it.
>>>
>>> DAY 5:
>>> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>>>
>>> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called channels I
>>> think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this too for
>>> HomePNA. Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I have no idea
>>> what is going on. But it seems very stable now. No problems at all
>>> at the moment. Thanks everyone! And you too burris! ;)
>>>
>> I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use phone
>> lines when power outlets are all over the home?
>
> Well Jim, because I am very pleased with 2Wire DSL/Wireless Routers
> (other brands won't work here) and they only support HomePNA for now.
> And it was only a few bucks to add HomePNA capabilities to a few
> computers, so it was worth a shot to experiment with. Although you can
> be sure I'll be playing with HomePlug next. ;)
>
> This HomePNA started acting up a bit again. It does it like twice a day
> again. It will log back on automatically though and it screws up the
> webcam when it does it. I mean I have to restart it. Some other things
> have to be restarted too. :(
>
Good luck. I was just curious.

I guess problems like what you are seeing are why Bellsouth stopped
supporting it.

Jim

[BillW50]

"Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
news:c%7Zg.47738$8s6.42229@bignews4.bellsouth.net
> BillW50 wrote on 10/17/2006 11:23 AM:
>> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
>> news:7m5Zg.47555$8s6.47364@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>>> BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
>>>> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I
>>>>>> like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only
>>>>>> 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files
>>>>>> from one computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too
>>>>>> slow anyway and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But
>>>>>> are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I
>>>>>> like the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be
>>>>>> sold on the idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because
>>>>>> wireless is so popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>>>>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so
>>>>> the others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and
>>>>> PC-PC is excellent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and
>>>>> having no access to run cables to another area, I have been
>>>>> pleased with PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>>>>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>>>>
>>>> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I
>>>> got the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of
>>>> them right now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid
>>>> as a rock. One computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>>>>
>>>> DAY 1:
>>>> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a
>>>> time. Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN.
>>>> IPCONFIG couldn't fix it. Install was very easy though. Install
>>>> the driver and I was on the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>>>>
>>>> DAY 2:
>>>> Same crap, different day
>>>>
>>>> DAY 3:
>>>> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>>>>
>>>> DAY 4:
>>>> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
>>>> problem. I allowed it.
>>>>
>>>> DAY 5:
>>>> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>>>>
>>>> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called channels
>>>> I think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this too for
>>>> HomePNA. Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I have no
>>>> idea what is going on. But it seems very stable now. No problems
>>>> at all at the moment. Thanks everyone! And you too burris! ;)
>>>>
>>> I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use phone
>>> lines when power outlets are all over the home?
>>
>> Well Jim, because I am very pleased with 2Wire DSL/Wireless Routers
>> (other brands won't work here) and they only support HomePNA for now.
>> And it was only a few bucks to add HomePNA capabilities to a few
>> computers, so it was worth a shot to experiment with. Although you
>> can be sure I'll be playing with HomePlug next. ;)
>>
>> This HomePNA started acting up a bit again. It does it like twice a
>> day again. It will log back on automatically though and it screws up
>> the webcam when it does it. I mean I have to restart it. Some other
>> things have to be restarted too. :(
>>
> Good luck. I was just curious.
>
> I guess problems like what you are seeing are why Bellsouth stopped
> supporting it.

Thanks Jim! And it might be the reason why 2Wire also stopped supporting
HomePNA from their newer models! :(

I do have two HP desktops (same model) that both later quit working on
any network by Ethernet, USB straight cable and wireless. Some hardware
fault is my guess. It will work with the dialup modem though. I should
try to see if HomePNA will work, but I doubt it. lol

--
Bill

[burris]

BillW50 wrote:
> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
> news:c%7Zg.47738$8s6.42229@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>> BillW50 wrote on 10/17/2006 11:23 AM:
>>> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7m5Zg.47555$8s6.47364@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>>>> BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
>>>>> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I
>>>>>>> like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only
>>>>>>> 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files
>>>>>>> from one computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too
>>>>>>> slow anyway and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But
>>>>>>> are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I
>>>>>>> like the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be
>>>>>>> sold on the idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because
>>>>>>> wireless is so popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>>>>>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so
>>>>>> the others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and
>>>>>> PC-PC is excellent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and
>>>>>> having no access to run cables to another area, I have been
>>>>>> pleased with PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>>>>>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I
>>>>> got the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of
>>>>> them right now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid
>>>>> as a rock. One computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>>>>>
>>>>> DAY 1:
>>>>> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a
>>>>> time. Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN.
>>>>> IPCONFIG couldn't fix it. Install was very easy though. Install
>>>>> the driver and I was on the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> DAY 2:
>>>>> Same crap, different day
>>>>>
>>>>> DAY 3:
>>>>> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>>>>>
>>>>> DAY 4:
>>>>> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
>>>>> problem. I allowed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> DAY 5:
>>>>> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>>>>>
>>>>> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called channels
>>>>> I think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this too for
>>>>> HomePNA. Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I have no
>>>>> idea what is going on. But it seems very stable now. No problems
>>>>> at all at the moment. Thanks everyone! And you too burris! ;)
>>>>>
>>>> I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use phone
>>>> lines when power outlets are all over the home?
>>>
>>> Well Jim, because I am very pleased with 2Wire DSL/Wireless Routers
>>> (other brands won't work here) and they only support HomePNA for now.
>>> And it was only a few bucks to add HomePNA capabilities to a few
>>> computers, so it was worth a shot to experiment with. Although you
>>> can be sure I'll be playing with HomePlug next. ;)
>>>
>>> This HomePNA started acting up a bit again. It does it like twice a
>>> day again. It will log back on automatically though and it screws up
>>> the webcam when it does it. I mean I have to restart it. Some other
>>> things have to be restarted too. :(
>>>
>> Good luck. I was just curious.
>>
>> I guess problems like what you are seeing are why Bellsouth stopped
>> supporting it.
>
> Thanks Jim! And it might be the reason why 2Wire also stopped supporting
> HomePNA from their newer models! :(
>
> I do have two HP desktops (same model) that both later quit working on
> any network by Ethernet, USB straight cable and wireless. Some hardware
> fault is my guess. It will work with the dialup modem though. I should
> try to see if HomePNA will work, but I doubt it. lol
>

If you remember my original answer, I forewarned against using a USB
version.

I'm sure if you tried the ethernet model, you would be pleased.

burris

[BillW50]

"burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Wbidncfvh9QXPqvYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com
> BillW50 wrote:
>> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
>> news:c%7Zg.47738$8s6.42229@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>>> BillW50 wrote on 10/17/2006 11:23 AM:
>>>> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7m5Zg.47555$8s6.47364@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>>>>> BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
>>>>>> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I
>>>>>>>> like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are
>>>>>>>> only 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move
>>>>>>>> files from one computer to another. And when we do, even
>>>>>>>> 100Mbps is too slow anyway and flash or external HD are much
>>>>>>>> faster anyway. But are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I
>>>>>>>> like the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be
>>>>>>>> sold on the idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because
>>>>>>>> wireless is so popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>>>>>>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet
>>>>>>> so the others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance
>>>>>>> I do. I get the top rated speed to the internet from each
>>>>>>> machine and
>>>>>>> PC-PC is excellent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and
>>>>>>> having no access to run cables to another area, I have been
>>>>>>> pleased with PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>>>>>>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I
>>>>>> got the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of
>>>>>> them right now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid
>>>>>> as a rock. One computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DAY 1:
>>>>>> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a
>>>>>> time. Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN.
>>>>>> IPCONFIG couldn't fix it. Install was very easy though. Install
>>>>>> the driver and I was on the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DAY 2:
>>>>>> Same crap, different day
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DAY 3:
>>>>>> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DAY 4:
>>>>>> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
>>>>>> problem. I allowed it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DAY 5:
>>>>>> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called
>>>>>> channels I think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this
>>>>>> too for HomePNA. Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I
>>>>>> have no idea what is going on. But it seems very stable now. No
>>>>>> problems at all at the moment. Thanks everyone! And you too
>>>>>> burris! ;)
>>>>> I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use
>>>>> phone lines when power outlets are all over the home?
>>>>
>>>> Well Jim, because I am very pleased with 2Wire DSL/Wireless Routers
>>>> (other brands won't work here) and they only support HomePNA for
>>>> now. And it was only a few bucks to add HomePNA capabilities to a
>>>> few computers, so it was worth a shot to experiment with. Although
>>>> you can be sure I'll be playing with HomePlug next. ;)
>>>>
>>>> This HomePNA started acting up a bit again. It does it like twice a
>>>> day again. It will log back on automatically though and it screws
>>>> up the webcam when it does it. I mean I have to restart it. Some
>>>> other things have to be restarted too. :(
>>>>
>>> Good luck. I was just curious.
>>>
>>> I guess problems like what you are seeing are why Bellsouth stopped
>>> supporting it.
>>
>> Thanks Jim! And it might be the reason why 2Wire also stopped
>> supporting HomePNA from their newer models! :(
>>
>> I do have two HP desktops (same model) that both later quit working
>> on any network by Ethernet, USB straight cable and wireless. Some
>> hardware fault is my guess. It will work with the dialup modem
>> though. I should try to see if HomePNA will work, but I doubt it. lol
>
> If you remember my original answer, I forewarned against using a USB
> version.
>
> I'm sure if you tried the ethernet model, you would be pleased.

Yes I do remember burris. Although I thought you mentioned it was only
the early USB versions. And I don't know how I can tell which ones I
got? Plus this house was wired with intercom wiring and no phone line
wiring which might make HomePNA unreliable. And so far, only 2Wire DSL
modems work here (same intercom wiring) whiles others have been
unreliable.

I think I have HomePNA working well again, except for around 6:30AM it
logs off and then back on the network again. Hmmm... the DHCP Lease Time
is renewed every 24 hours. I wonder if that knocks it offline and then
it reconnects automatically?

--
Bill

[BillW50]

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:45377fb1$0$1354$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com
> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Wbidncfvh9QXPqvYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
>>> news:c%7Zg.47738$8s6.42229@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>>>> BillW50 wrote on 10/17/2006 11:23 AM:
>>>>> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7m5Zg.47555$8s6.47364@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>>>>>> BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
>>>>>>> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but
>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are
>>>>>>>>> only 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move
>>>>>>>>> files from one computer to another. And when we do, even
>>>>>>>>> 100Mbps is too slow anyway and flash or external HD are much
>>>>>>>>> faster anyway. But are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I
>>>>>>>>> like the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be
>>>>>>>>> sold on the idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because
>>>>>>>>> wireless is so popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>>>>>>>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet
>>>>>>>> so the others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance
>>>>>>>> I do. I get the top rated speed to the internet from each
>>>>>>>> machine and
>>>>>>>> PC-PC is excellent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and
>>>>>>>> having no access to run cables to another area, I have been
>>>>>>>> pleased with PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>>>>>>>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and
>>>>>>> I got the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of
>>>>>>> them right now and I disabled my wireless which was running
>>>>>>> solid as a rock. One computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DAY 1:
>>>>>>> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a
>>>>>>> time. Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN.
>>>>>>> IPCONFIG couldn't fix it. Install was very easy though. Install
>>>>>>> the driver and I was on the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DAY 2:
>>>>>>> Same crap, different day
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DAY 3:
>>>>>>> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DAY 4:
>>>>>>> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix
>>>>>>> the problem. I allowed it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DAY 5:
>>>>>>> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called
>>>>>>> channels I think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this
>>>>>>> too for HomePNA. Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I
>>>>>>> have no idea what is going on. But it seems very stable now. No
>>>>>>> problems at all at the moment. Thanks everyone! And you too
>>>>>>> burris! ;)
>>>>>> I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use
>>>>>> phone lines when power outlets are all over the home?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well Jim, because I am very pleased with 2Wire DSL/Wireless
>>>>> Routers (other brands won't work here) and they only support
>>>>> HomePNA for now. And it was only a few bucks to add HomePNA
>>>>> capabilities to a few computers, so it was worth a shot to
>>>>> experiment with. Although you can be sure I'll be playing with
>>>>> HomePlug next. ;) This HomePNA started acting up a bit again. It
>>>>> does it like twice
>>>>> a day again. It will log back on automatically though and it
>>>>> screws up the webcam when it does it. I mean I have to restart
>>>>> it. Some other things have to be restarted too. :(
>>>>>
>>>> Good luck. I was just curious.
>>>>
>>>> I guess problems like what you are seeing are why Bellsouth stopped
>>>> supporting it.
>>>
>>> Thanks Jim! And it might be the reason why 2Wire also stopped
>>> supporting HomePNA from their newer models! :(
>>>
>>> I do have two HP desktops (same model) that both later quit working
>>> on any network by Ethernet, USB straight cable and wireless. Some
>>> hardware fault is my guess. It will work with the dialup modem
>>> though. I should try to see if HomePNA will work, but I doubt it.
>>> lol
>>
>> If you remember my original answer, I forewarned against using a USB
>> version.
>>
>> I'm sure if you tried the ethernet model, you would be pleased.
>
> Yes I do remember burris. Although I thought you mentioned it was only
> the early USB versions. And I don't know how I can tell which ones I
> got? Plus this house was wired with intercom wiring and no phone line
> wiring which might make HomePNA unreliable. And so far, only 2Wire DSL
> modems work here (same intercom wiring) whiles others have been
> unreliable.
>
> I think I have HomePNA working well again, except for around 6:30AM it
> logs off and then back on the network again. Hmmm... the DHCP Lease
> Time is renewed every 24 hours. I wonder if that knocks it offline
> and then it reconnects automatically?

UPDATE!!!

I was running the USB HomePNA from a hub earlier. Bad idea since the hub
has to share the bandwidth from other devices. Sometimes the webcam was
on there. Although the keyboard or the mouse I wouldn't think would be a
big deal. But I moved the HomePNA to its own USB port and it has been
rock solid ever since. :)

And remember those HP desktops? Well they would no longer work Ethernet,
USB, USB wireless, and PCI wireless. I also created a dualboot setup and
installed a fresh copy of Windows and still no dice. Well I tried
HomePNA on one of them and that works fine for some reason. Which is
really strange. But that is fine with me, at least it works. ;)

--
Bill

[BillW50]

"Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
news:c%7Zg.47738$8s6.42229@bignews4.bellsouth.net
> BillW50 wrote on 10/17/2006 11:23 AM:
>> "Jim" <Jim@no.com> wrote in message
>> news:7m5Zg.47555$8s6.47364@bignews4.bellsouth.net
>>> BillW50 wrote on 10/15/2006 6:39 AM:
>>>> "burris" <responder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:c9CdnfBa0rExYoHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com
>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>> Anybody using these with 2Wire Routers? I'm all wireless, but I
>>>>>> like the idea of no radio transmissions. Yes I know they are only
>>>>>> 10Mbps, which isn't an issue with me since we rarely move files
>>>>>> from one computer to another. And when we do, even 100Mbps is too
>>>>>> slow anyway and flash or external HD are much faster anyway. But
>>>>>> are these 2Wire HomePNA devices rock solid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking about HomePNA, I have read about them for years and I
>>>>>> like the idea very much. But not a lot of people seems to be
>>>>>> sold on the idea. And it seems like HomePNA is dying because
>>>>>> wireless is so popular. Anybody else sense this too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have used PCI-PNA for at least 5 years and have never missed
>>>>> once..The early USB versions were pretty sad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 4 PCs on line, one as a passive gateway to the internet so
>>>>> the others are always up no matter what kind of maintenance I do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get the top rated speed to the internet from each machine and
>>>>> PC-PC is excellent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I live in a hi-rise apt surrounded with lots of steel and
>>>>> having no access to run cables to another area, I have been
>>>>> pleased with PNA. I tried wireless, but it was too flaky.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did see some sort of neighborhood router that was supposed to
>>>>> interface with PNA but I saw no need to bother.
>>>>
>>>> Well here is an update on my HomePNA. I'm on day 5 or 6 now and I
>>>> got the USB HomePNA from eBay (4 of them). I'm only using 2 of
>>>> them right now and I disabled my wireless which was running solid
>>>> as a rock. One computer is directly connected by Ethernet.
>>>>
>>>> DAY 1:
>>>> It sucked. Got disconnected within 5 minutes to a few hours at a
>>>> time. Had to disenable and reenable to get back on the LAN.
>>>> IPCONFIG couldn't fix it. Install was very easy though. Install
>>>> the driver and I was on the LAN. Nothing to setup or anything.
>>>>
>>>> DAY 2:
>>>> Same crap, different day
>>>>
>>>> DAY 3:
>>>> Things really improved. Just 2 disconnects all day
>>>>
>>>> DAY 4:
>>>> Windows XP said the connection was limited and offered to fix the
>>>> problem. I allowed it.
>>>>
>>>> DAY 5:
>>>> Working solid as a rock! Go figure!
>>>>
>>>> I know some DSL modems weed out noisy frequencies (called channels
>>>> I think) over time. I don't know, maybe 2Wire does this too for
>>>> HomePNA. Or that Windows XP actually fixed something. I have no
>>>> idea what is going on. But it seems very stable now. No problems
>>>> at all at the moment. Thanks everyone! And you too burris! ;)
>>>>
>>> I am surprised you chose HPNA over HomePlug. Why would you use phone
>>> lines when power outlets are all over the home?
>>
>> Well Jim, because I am very pleased with 2Wire DSL/Wireless Routers
>> (other brands won't work here) and they only support HomePNA for now.
>> And it was only a few bucks to add HomePNA capabilities to a few
>> computers, so it was worth a shot to experiment with. Although you
>> can be sure I'll be playing with HomePlug next. ;)
>>
>> This HomePNA started acting up a bit again. It does it like twice a
>> day again. It will log back on automatically though and it screws up
>> the webcam when it does it. I mean I have to restart it. Some other
>> things have to be restarted too. :(
>>
> Good luck. I was just curious.
>
> I guess problems like what you are seeing are why Bellsouth stopped
> supporting it.

I had taken HomePNA off of the USB hub and moved it to its own USB port
and bingo! Works great.

I've read that some people have lots of trouble with HomePlug. Things
like wall transformers, florescent lights, motors, etc. create
electrical noise on the line and can cause lots of problems with
HomePlug. Have you (or anybody) ran into this?

--
Bill

[RURUB]

Have Bellsouth Westell Dsl Modem On Pc#1[host]--running 3 Win Xp Pcs Online--networking Using 3 2wire Usb Hpnas-purchased On Ebay For $10 Ea--this Is A Trouble Free & Econonical Way To Network Without Running Wires--use Existing Phone Line--pc`s 1&2 Are In Backyard Shop & 3`rd Pc Is In House 80 Feet Away--using 3 Conductor Bell Wire 18ga From Junk Pile--system Is Fast--780kbps On All 3 Pcs--pcs Synchronize Home Page On Pwr Up--pwr Led On Hpna On Continously & Network Led Flashes When Loading Data--
Very Secure--rurub