STILL getting pauses in my live recordings

[Humboldt]

Using the latest Nero.

Trying to burn discs of live music using the wizard interface.

Get all the tracks on the left-hand side, highlight all but the first, right-click/properties, enter "0" for number of seconds pause.

I'm still getting the faintest pause in between tracks though, noticable only if you listen for them, but once you know they're there you can't miss them.

Any ideas?

Thanks

[UOD]

Because the tracks more than likely have silence at the beginning and end of each track.

So each track has a bit of silence at the start and at the end....quite normal.

It's taking up time...like miliseconds but it is silence.

The only way to get rid of it entirely is to open up these files in an editor, like a wav editor, and trim the silence as best you can.

When you do this you'll see exactly what I'm talking about because the visual waveform doesn't lie. You'll see a very distict flat line before you see the actual music kick in and after it ends.

If ya need me to post pics.....I can.:D

Let me give you a real quick representation of what I'm talking about.

You'll see this:

---------wwwWWWWwWWWWW--------

You need to get rid of the silence so that it looks like this:

wwwWWWWwWWWWW

[Humboldt]

Hey UOD, thanks for the reply.

Not sure if we're talking about the same gap though.

For several years it didn't matter what I used (Nero, EZCD, NTI) I just put it on DOA and I'd get one long uninterrupted cd. No pauses between tracks.

Now, even if it's on DOA and even if I go in (Nero) and manually change the gap to 0, I get the gaps. Brief brief gaps.

I understand studio tracks having the pauses and trying to edit them out, but don't understand why this would apply to live recordings done in one fell swoop.

I mean, if one records a 1 hour show on dat and converts it to shn or mp3, then cuts it up...where do the gaps come in unless they're placed there?

Think it has anything at all to do with the WinAmp settings I use when I convert to wav? Right now I'm using "crossfading direct sound output" when I listen to mp3's and Nullsoft Disk Writer v2.0c

I just know that I used to not get these gaps but I am now, and that the majoroty of my collection is live music that was recorded in one fell swoop and in the past has "remerged" well.

Is this pissing me off? Yes

Do I know how to fix it? No

[downhill]

Yep..that's why...the cross fading plugin, when you write the disc, will insert silence onto the beginning and end of the tracks....

Your setting up Nero to make a gapless burn...and it's probalby doing it's job...but you see..you just inserted a few frames of nothing at the beginning and end of the tracks with the crossfading plugin. Nero dosn't know to get rid of them...it only knows that the silent frames are part of the file...

[Humboldt]

What should I use instead then, Crudsoft Gapless output?

[downhill]

Yeah that would probably do the trick....try this....enable it..and then load a few mp3's that were recorded live....then play them back..make sure your set to go straight from one song to the other. If it works...you won't hear much of a gap between them. I wish I had saved Peter P's winamp upgrades......He had a gapless plugin also.

[Humboldt]

Originally posted by downhill
Yeah that would probably do the trick....try this....enable it..and then load a few mp3's that were recorded live....then play them back..make sure your set to go straight from one song to the other. If it works...you won't hear much of a gap between them. I wish I had saved Peter P's winamp upgrades......He had a gapless plugin also.

I'm seeing several different gapless plugins, and already have the crudsoft gapless. Are they all more or less the same?

[downhill]

Yeah pretty much...If winamp starts skipping or has other problems., try another gapless plugin.

The one thing they do is to help from writing that extra frame that mp3's all have at the end.

[downhill]

Hey Humboldt..your pm box is full....lol

Ok if it isn't the crossfader causing the problem..(you could move it to a different folder)...then your files must be tampered with and someone added a crossfade to them. Yeah it's a pain but it happens...Unless it's all of them.

You could try an audio editor to see the files in question.

Cool Edit 2000 will do this. For the free version...you can open one file, do one thing to it and save......a pain but it works..

http://www.syntrillium.com/download/

If you have Nero...it has a wav editor..and you can also see your mp3 files with it. Live recordings that havn't has a crossfade added to them will start full...meaning...they look kinda the same at the very beginning as say in the middle...if a crossfade has been added..they will start with little info in the middle of the scope and then get bigger..and then fade back to the middle at the end..

[Humboldt]

Thanks for the tips, I'll try them as soon as I get home.:)